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Oxycotin relapse (sort of)

by CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
Hello everyone, as you might know from my posts below, I have a problem with Oxy's. Here is the situation. Today is 13 days without doing Oxycotin, however my girlfriend and I did percocect last night. I guess we were trying to see how they would effect us. We took two apiece and BAMM, we were flying. My question is this. By doing the percocet last night, will our recovery be affected? I know that physically we feel fine. I am concerned about the mental effect of doing them will have on us as I am about to fill a script for a ton of Oxy's. I was kind of wishing that we were going to wake up today with the shakes. This way we would have never considered using anything again as the withdraw is to much to handel. Unfourtunatly, we feel great today so I wonder if we will be able to dabble with the Oxy's. In other word's will one or two once or twice a week effect us? I know that every one is different but I thought some of you might have some insite to my new problem.
Member Comments (78)

by Mike P. to Ken, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
You really think you'll only do one or two twice a week? Honestly? And you want someone here to say - "yeah, you can do it no problem." Welcome back Chad. You never really left.

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Amen. You never even left. You are not even focused on recovery. All this time and attention you have recieved here and you still want to abuse drugs? Well, be my guest! Remember that you have a God given choice concerning what you do in life. No one can say yes or no for you. The choice is only your's to make.



Best of luck!

by CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
First of all, I did not use any oxycotin. Secondly, excuse me for having a relapse and using two percocet. My question WAS, can a person use this drug once in awhile without trouble? I do not plan to ever use them again. If I got the urge I want to be able to make it pefectly clear to myself that you can not use Oxy on a recreational basis. My main question is, by doing what I did last night (2 percocet) going to damage my recovery? My outlook on drugs remains the same. I hate them and never plan on using again. However, I would like to be reasured that I shouldn't "dabble" with oxycotin or any other substance. You see, this is the first time that I have ever offically quit using drugs. So of corse I am going to have questions but thank you mike and j.b. for your screwed up support! Why is it that a person can not be honest with a bunch of people who have been through the same thing? I am just saying, isn't it important for me to convey ALL of my feelings if I plan on making this work? I have considered going back on Oxycotin scince day one. I have not done that and I feel like **** for using percocet last night. Should I then consider this as day one? I really do appreciate ALL OF THE HELP AND SUPPORT and would LOVE to hear from anyone who is not in the mood to beat me down. I really do believe that the reason I have stayed clean this long is in part due to the support that I have recieved here, so thank you all so very, very much! Chad

by Mike P. to Ken, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Good words JB - truly. I forgot to mention Chad - Percocet HAS OXYCODONE IN IT. THE SAME INGREDIENT THAT IS IN OXYCONTIN. Know what you're taking man. Your "recovery" from Oxy is over. Tomorrow is day ONE again. Sounds to me like you're going to fill the other RX today too. That's cool. Don't feel guilty per se. Just take care of yourself. You'll get there. But one SURE way of NOT getting there is by rationalizing your use in the way that you are - "Everyone is different" "I can handle one or two a week". No you can't. You couldn't before could you? You're just rationalizing using again. We've all done it. It's all part of it. Just DON'T F'N DRIVE WHEN YOU'RE HIGH MAN! Don't kill a loved one of mine because you're "having fun". Stay at home, walk, ride a bike - whatever. But please don't drive. If you start using again, you will get withdrawal symptoms again, you will "recover" again, and you will question whether you can go back to using with immunity and impunity. None of us have made it there yet in many thousands of years of addiction - but hey - we all keep trying to it seems. Take care of yourself, and remember that other people are living around you, trying to make it through their day too - let them have the same opportunity. Thanks - Mike P.

by Mike P. to Ken, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
I wasn't trying to come down on you. Sorry if it came across that way. You are at a crossroad. That's all. Which way do you go?



by Al to Michael, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Throw the script in the trash, better yet burn it . It will be one of the hardest things you ever do, but you will be proud of yourself for doing it. By the ay how do you feel now after 13 days of abstainance? How is your energy level? Does life seem enjoyable yet. I am still trying to stop, and it is very easy for me to tell you to burn the script, yet keep on using myself. I wish I had 13 days clean. I want to be able to enjoy life. I just started my own drywall business, and I know that when I quit oxy that I wont have all the vigor I now have, but I feel confidant that after I am clean for a few weeks, and rest up that I will enjoy my business, and get back to wanting to be around loved ones. Right now I am obsessed with work and money. Burn that script though. I want to keep hearing from you on these posts 20, 25, 30, das and so on. If you feel good then I will have more optimism. I started following your posts from the begining and was pulling for you everyday.

by tom to Chad, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Welcome back, Chad -- long time no talk to! Did you ever really think you weren’t going to fill that oxy script? To answer your question, I don’t believe you will ever be able to dabble with oxy’s. You never really did, did you? You loved them from the start and went for it. No shame in that – they’re great. Who wouldn’t? You might find another drug that you can use recreationally, but it’s very if-y. If nothing else, you must get honest with yourself about your love for drugs. Hey, I love them, too. But to say that you took the percs just to see what they’d do, as if you were running a research project as a public service – common! You’re quite the comedian … You can never hope to quit or control your use or whatever it is you want to do until you get honest about why you do what you do. If I had them, I’d use them and there would be no doubt in my mind why. If you’re going to get high, then get high. But don’t talk about “dabbling’ and “seeing what they’ll do.” Like you don’t know what they’ll do … I’m laughing as I type this. You know why you do it. It’s the same reason I do it. Enjoy your weekend. Just be honest about it!

by barbara to pain and lortab, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM


You were already past the acute withdrawal so you did not get the shakes. If you try controlled drug taking it is like my controlled drinking, it simply doesn't work.



You may get away with it for a few weeks, but the urge to get high will get stronger as you go and you will do it more often until full relapse is achieved.



If you don't want to go through the shakes again I sugggest stopping forever! The longer time you put between yourself and the last high the less the craving will be.

by Angie to Ken, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
I'm not going to bust your stones but you have to understand everybody HAS been where you are now. That is what I call the sneaky part of this disease. The addict in our mind starts to say "hey I've been 13 days without anything maybe I can take them successfully" or "I've never gotten into real trouble taking these so I can't be that bad". I don't want to say I told you so about your script but....If you really think about it how could you possibly let them go to waste by getting rid of the script. I know for a fact if I had a script it would be filled and consumed and it's been 5 months. Part of getting clean is to take the necessary steps to close the connections to obtaining. Tell you Dr. the truth so he won't give you anymore scripts. That was one of the all time hardest things I ever had to do, but I did it in the beginning when I felt strong, cause I knew the weakness lay ahead. This is where you need outside help and a sponser who will make you call them daily to discuss these kind of things. It's such a process and you are only starting. I do know one fact that I have heard over and over again..Everytime you attempt to stop using it gets harder to do. You lose some of your drive and willpower. I thank you for your honesty you could have taken those meds and never came back here. But you must believe what everyone is telling you..They know from experience. Otherwise you will learn the hard way.

by CHAD FROM PHILLY!!!, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Once again you guys come through! Ok, so it's friday night and I would love to do something (drugs) yet we resist. Ok, I had a couple of corona's but I guess that's ok. Tom it is so awesome to know that you are still out there as I know that you (and hopefully, many others) have been folowing my post's so closely. I just had a lenthy disscussion with my girlfriend in reguards to dope. Dope is what I basicly call every drug out there. I said to her, "I wonder whats going to happen three months from now whaen we are clean". We pondered if we would have the desire to use so long after we stopped. We came to the conclusion that this is going to be a life long battle. I would however, like to point out that drugs are thrown in our faces every day. Coke, meth, shrooms and every pill out there is available to us. So, I feel that every time we shoot something down we obtain strength. I can not currently change our location, but I can have the strenth to resist. The precriptions are a very touchy subject. Like I said, they are due to be filled any day now and I know the temptation they will bring. Hey Al, I would love to burn them but I must admit it is very tough. Everyone must realize that I can obtain the oxy's at any time, so will having 100 of them in front of me affect us? I think I know the awnser. Like I have stated before, I seem to have less of a desire to use when the **** is around. I do fear the night I get drunk and my tolerance and desire to stay clean is affected. In reguards to having thirteen days cleen. If you do not count the perks we dabbeled with last night (yes Tom, dabbeled, I am afraid of the word used, so bear with me) I feel great! I go through periods of "what the hell do we do now" to utter relaxation. Today I applied to a computer school that will hopefully consume some of this spare time. Sitting around (workmans comp) is the hardist thing to do. The temtation is always there. If I was laying sheet rock, I'd be fine. Who am I kidding. Do you realize how quick you could do a house high. OK, that was a bad joke but I have to keep it light. I understand more now that I am straight. I use to get very confused on the Oxy's. I often wonder if you guys get tangeled up in your thoughts on them. To make a never ending story short....I feel better each day I do not use. I will not lie though...The temtation is so very strong. I think that is what keeps us going. You know what, I did feel the cold sweats today. If only just a little bit, it was enough to remind us of how powerful these things hold on to you. We were going to go out tonight but I think instead we will just keep checking this board out for support...I look forward to hearing from you all! Thank you Barbara, angie and especially tom for all of your support! Hey Al, don't you have some rock to hang? Just kidding buddy, you are really helping us! Mike, thanks man, I was a little pissed eairlier but your words sound like the devil sitting here on my shoulder so I have to blame someone. I know what you say is the truth! Thanks guys.....Chad

by tom to Chad, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Well, Chadster, how's the oxy flowing? You have now discovered the "best" part of relapse and one of the reasons recovering addicts are so tempted at your stage: When you're system is freshly cleansed of drugs, that first relapse-hit of oxycodone feels f-ing great. Am I right? It's like having your first orgasm over again. Unfortunately, that newness wears off pretty quickly and you return to your former tolerance level (and dependence) after one or two doses. I KNEW you weren't going to burn that triplicate script. To be honest the very thought of that script going up in flames made my eyes water. Triplicates are like a dispensation from the pope. It would be disrespectful to turn down an invitation to purchase a schedule II substance! That said, let me tell you, as you must know by now, that you've already undone the work you did in your detox. Completely. It's an old, familiar story. And now that you know how good that first hit feels after detoxing, you'll be that much more tempted next time. And you know there will be a next time. If addiction is anything, it's predictable.

Chad, in AA parlance, you clearly haven't hit bottom. That's what it takes to really turn the corner to sobriety. I didn't commit myself to drug treatment until I was broke, fired from my job, kicked out of my apartment with a jail sentence hanging over my head and a note in my hand from my wife telling me she had left me. I don't think you're even close to being where I was when I quit vicodin, valium and percs (oxy's by any other name definitely feel as sweet).

But let's get honest first, Chad. If you can't look your true self in the face then you can't even begin to quit. Are you sure you really wanted to quit? Or were you just feeling burned out by the whole getting-using grind? There's a huge difference between the two.

by Robert, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Chad,

Filling that script is like putting a mound of coke on your coffee table and telling yourself you will just do one line of coke before you go to work. IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!



I am not saying I would tear up the script either...but as others have replied..you need to be honest with yourself...

many of us have "been there...done that"



So quit kidding yourself...if you fill the script..you will do them up..and not just one or two here and there..it might start that way for a week or so....but pretty soon you will have a bad day emotionally and seek the oxy to relieve your foul mood..



Drug addiction is a real ***** my friend... I mean no malice to you.

13 days clean is fantastic...but think where your mind would be if you had tossed the scripts and then detoxed...right now you would be feeling like you kicked oxy's ass and you didnt need them....but they are still there..and no one..I repeat no one..can escape the power they have over you...



The bottom line is that you can do this if you want..but be honest with yourself and seek some help as  fooling yourself wont get you clean.

by tom to Chad, Aug 25, 2000 12:00AM
Chad, what kind of "computer school" did you apply to? I'm in the industry and might be able to steer you to something that will get you back to work sooner. What's your background concerning computers? If the answer is nothing, don't be ashamed to say so. We all start in computers in a state of total ignorance. Even Bill Gates, once upon a time, knew nothing about computers when he started. Be honest about your background so I can give you relevant advice.

by mo, Aug 26, 2000 12:00AM
i just stumbled into this room and after reading all the writting about the things i love oxy perc lortab i thought about quiting them all. but what will i be in store for? What are the withdrawl stages and there feeling? is it better codturkey or to taper off little by little? drop me a line and tell me the truth

by tom to Mo, Aug 26, 2000 12:00AM
If you have no idea what withdrawal from these narcotics feels like, I can only conclude that you're not hooked yet. If you were addicted to any of these drugs