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pain meds

by jacque, Sep 26, 2000 12:00AM
i had a question where is everyone getting their pain meds?  doctors in my area totally refuse to write a script.  and if they do they give you very little.  someone i know that is in the health field said the doctors dont write them that much because most of them use them.  i have inherinted migraines i get every month . i have tried imitrax and midrin everything.  and the only thing that works in darvocet and vicodin.  which i very rarely get them so i have to suffer alot with headaches.  now they are trying me on zomig.  but the only thing unfortunetly is the pain meds.  i can see how you can get hooked on them they do make you feel good and want to clean the whole house.  just wanting to know how people get these for up to 10yrs and taking them every day when doctors wont perscribe them
Member Comments (61)

by To sick and scared from Neena, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
Dr. Steve, MD.  What kind of test would show codiene use?  Urine or blood and how long would i need to be totally clean or at least at normal dosage, before going in for tests. This is not a work related question, so don't worry.  I would like to know what vicoden es is doing to my body.  2.5 es every four hours or so.  I know that i take waaayyyy to much, as i feel my body is suffering.  I would like to go in for a full physical and have a my pap smear,etc...done, but i want to be clean for it.  How long do I need to be clean before which test is to be done?  I often wonder how people stay on these things for years on end. And what doctor would prescribe for more than a year or so. I think it's killing me.  Thanks for any help.  Anyone Help. Neena

by ken to ronnieg and angie, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
Come on buddy, I need your support here. 12 Days and am ready to go back out. You know how I must feel. Come on even if just to say WASSUP! You are a smart man and even if you cant help yourself sometimes, you do help others. Check in and let us know how your doing.

by Ronnieg to Jacque, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
Jacque,

go to this site and find a pain rep in your area.

They will give you the names of compassionate doctors who will treat migraines with pain meds if needed.

If your headaches are being taken care of by Darvocet, then you really do not need an opiod as darvocette is about as strong as tylenol aspirn.











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by To sick and scared from Neena, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
someone please reply or help with my previous question. thanks. Neena

by ken to ronnieg and angie, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
I know for me to take a urine test for probation, it takes at least 72 hours minimum. But that would depend on how much you are taking.

by To sick and scared from Neena, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
How much were you taking?  I am taking bout 2.5 vicks es every 3-4 hours depending on what's going on.  72 hours?  Is that about what you were taking?  Is it only the urine test that reveals it?  Thanks for help, Ken. PLease Reply, Neen

by To sick and scared from Neena, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
Sorry not to address you properly in my previous message.  My previous post is directed to you. :) Neem

by tom to neena, Sep 27, 2000 12:00AM
Neena,

In a normal physical, there are no tests to detect narcotics like codiene or vicodin. Pre-employment and, of course, parole or probation dept tests would look for the metabolites of opiates in your urine. But your family MD won't be testing for those things unless you ask him to. 2.5 Vic ES per 4 hrs? Relax. Narcotics in themselves rarely cause direct damage to the body. As drugs go, they're pretty benign (harmless). What you have to watch out for is the Tylenol in the Vicodin. You're taking basically, 2.5 extra stength Tylenols every 4 hrs. That's about the upper limit of what someone should be taking over a long term. One big warning for you: NEVER combine alcohol with Tylenol. People have died from mixing a few beers with a couple Tylenol! You should be staying away from the booze anyway with migraines. By in large, docs don't like to dispense a lot of narcotics for headache patients. There's a trust issue there, plus, if you really do have classic migraines, the imitrex and other drugs like it should relieve your pain. If they don't, that pretty much tells the doc you don't have true migraines. If they persist, you'll be in for some expensive brain scans and the like. Have you had an MRI? Headaches can be phsycologically motivated, too, and that makes DR's even less willing to put you on addictive drugs like the good ole Vics. I got terrible headaches that weren't migraines for years until I changed professions and started writing for a living, something I love. That "cured' my "migraines." You might take a good look at your life in general. Headaches can be caused by depression and, in turn, perpetuate the depression, creating a neverending cycle. Add addiction to that picture and you'll really be a mess! See a specialist like Dr Steve suggested. Don't go on suffering.

by Leigh, Sep 28, 2000 12:00AM
I feel the need to preface my reply by saying this is not meant as a criticism of your previous message. I always find your advice to be very helpful. But...

Can someone really die from beers and a few Tylenol? Or might there be a pre-disposing condition that is being exacerbated by the acetaminophen and alcohol? In my day, I used to take quite a few Vics or Tylenol with codeine...and I would drink, too. And all my addict/recovering addict friends did the same thing. We never had a problem (other than the obvious addiction). There's been a bit of hype in the press lately about acetaminophen, alcohol and liver damage...but most of the evidence re: unintentional overdoses are anecdotal, at best. There are people who have been taking large amounts of Tylenol for years, and seem to be fine. This would suggest confounding factors in the cases that are not fine--like a co-morbidity of some sort.

Again--this is not meant to be a criticism of your post. I'm just interested in your opinion or some additional information. I must admit, I don't know what to believe. Every now and then, when I take a few plain old Tylenol (ie, no narcotic blend), I feel my lower abdomen jump around a lot. And I actually imagine that it could be my liver protesting. But my doc says that's impossible...

by To sick and scared from Neena, Sep 28, 2000 12:00AM
two vicoden es and a half every 3 or 4 hours.  i think you got me mixed up with someone else on the board re: migranes.  i have female and back problems,but still no reason for the misuse of these drugs.  what is the tylenol doing to my liver?  i do drink beer. neena

by tom to Sharon, Sep 28, 2000 12:00AM
I'm probably speaking of the same recent stories you cite re Tylenol. If there's ANY evidence of liver damage from Tylenol and alcohol (you know they both damage the liver by themselves), why risk it? It's not as if you have a second liver to survive with, like kidneys. I've been told by many MD's that fatal damage can be done to the liver before the person is even aware of any problem. That's very scary, as far as I'm concerned. I do know that alcohol interferes with the liver's abiltiy to cleanse drugs from blood, causing sometimes fatal concentrations to build up in one's system. I will confess that my weakness is for opiates. I hate alcohol. I think it's a crude and senseless way to get high. I've also seen the damage primarily drinkers do on the road. I have no sympathy whatsoever for drunk drivers. Now, that's a good use for the jail system!