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Overdoses

by Valerie, Oct 18, 2000 12:00AM
My cousin just died of a herion overdose.  No one would tell me or no one knew what happened to the person while their having an overdose.  My question is What happens in a herion overdose?
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by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Oct 18, 2000 12:00AM
I am sorry to hear about your cousin's death from heroine. I've OD'd twice and can tell you that physically it is painless. The mental part is OH SH*T! You simply stop breathing and have the biggest rush of your life. Not fun by any stretch of the imagination.  Before the blackout, there is the terror that You screwed up. I never had a heart attack but the feeling must be similar.  Panic! Most of us really don't want to die when it comes right down to it.  We want to live and that is why we are all still here! Anybody else out there have a OD story to share?

by Vicodin Gurrl to Dan, Oct 18, 2000 12:00AM
Hi guys, sorry to interrupt the thread, as I do not have an OD story, (Thank God), however I am going to ask a question that I believe we can ALL benefit from...I read in an earlier post that Tom knows a method by which the Tylenol can be extracetd from the Vicodin/Percocet, etc...What is this method??  Please do share,(not only Tom but ANYONE who has an "in" to this secret practive) our livers are screaming for your help!!  :)

by Vicodin Gurrl to Dan, Oct 18, 2000 12:00AM
Hi guys, sorry to interrupt the thread, as I do not have an OD story, (Thank God), however I am going to ask a question that I believe we can ALL benefit from...I read in an earlier post that Tom knows a method by which the Tylenol can be extracetd from the Vicodin/Percocet, etc...What is this method??  Please do share,(not only Tom but ANYONE who has an "in" to this secret practive) our livers are screaming for your help!!  :)

by tom to Vicodin gurrl, Oct 18, 2000 12:00AM
here ya go, VicoBabe ...



Tylenol is not water soluble (doesn't disolve in water).

Hydrocodone (and oxy and codeine) are water soluble.



The technique is not totally efficient and won't remove all tylenol or yield all the narcotic. (probably 75-85% of each)



Take an 8-10oz glass of luke warm water, preferably bottled good stuff.



Thoroughly disolve the pills in the water and stir thoroughly for a few minutes until you have a pretty consistent milky solution.



For best results: Fill a big plastic baggy with ice chips. make it big enough and sturdy enough that you can wrap the ice bag like a jacket around the glass. Duct tape helps to secure the jacket. (or fill a bucket with ice so you can submerge the glass in the ice) The idea is to cool the water rapidly. Stir very, very gently with a rod or equivalent stirrer (not a spoon)for about 10 to 15 minutes as the water cools, but not so vigorously that you keep the tylenol from falling to the bottom of the glass. (Use a clear glass to help you see what's happening.)

Stop stirring and gently place the glass in the fridge. Let it sit for another 15 minutes or so.



When you see pretty much clear water with all the sediment fallen to the bottom, carefully draw off (or drink) the water from the glass being careful to not touch or get too close to the tylenol sediment.



That's it. Now, there's an easier way that's not as efficent: Disolve in water, stir thoroughly, place glass in fridge till the water looks clear and the sediment is all at the bottom, about 20 minutes or so. Draw off or drink as above.



As you can see, it's not very portable, but works at home. Good luck. My best to your liver.









by Vicodin Gurrl to Dan, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
One additional question (again, I realize that this forum is not supposed to PROMOTE drug abuse, however, if there is a method by which WE collective abusers can use more safely, well so be it, right?...)If I were to dissolve 10 5/500 strength Vicodin in 10oz H20, that would yield something like 5ml hydrocodone/oz, right?  Will that then keep if I were to say, siphon it into another container and consume 15-20mg (or 3-4 oz of fluid) per dose?  (Hmmm...interesting concept..should have been a pharmacist or chemist instead of an RN.)  :)



Is it relatively stable in its liquid form?  



Thanks again for the info...I WISH I knew you Tom, I think you and I (well, ALL of us here at this forum) would have a lot to talk about.  You seem to me to be a bright, interesting, insightful person...too bad we'd both be screwed if we ever knew who one another were...Damn medical field! :)



To y'all out there, keep yer chins up, we'll get past this someday, right?...Gosh I LOVE this website!!!

by to doc dan from joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Another way to avoid the tylenol is to have your doctor switch you to roxicodone; its the same as percocet but no tylenol to worry about, just pure oxycodone with some binders to hold the pill together.

by tom to joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
we'd all love that. problem is, roxicodone is schedule II. Most MDs won't write those (triplicate goes to the DEA). nice thought, though!

by tom to Vicodin gurrl, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Actually, I have no idea how stable or consistent the solution is. I've always consumed the whole thing. I'm not a chemist, so I can't give you much info re your question. Most drugs I see kept in solution seem to be mixed with more than water, often alcohol. I imagine someone around the hospital might know (like a friendly pharmacist, if there is such a thing). If you find out, please let me know. (I used to mix it right at my desk at work, use the company fridge, and down it right in front of my boss -- yeee  ha!)

I know you're saying you're an RN, but I wasn't sure if you were assuming I was in the medical field. I am merely an enthusiastic consumer of "medical services." I am a writer. I work for the software industry. I write some of those manuals you hate, plus some advertising and journalistic pieces for some of the newsstand PC mags. Not glamorous, but it pays the bills fairly well.



I've got to go right now (to the dentist -- but I'm leaving with some Vics). I can't give out my usual e-mail without broadcasting my real name, but you can write here:

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by Mike P. to Ken, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
I think when tom was using this method, it was different than say the average user. Correct me if I'm wrong tom, but you were using in excess of 75 a day w/this method...so I'm guessing you were dropping 10-15 at a wack in the water...this might have yielded something...I've done up to 4-5 and have also used it with the Canadian 222's. It does work to an extent, but I would say the hydrocodone I felt out of the 5 5/500's I dissolved was equal to about 2.5 vicodin - max. A huge waste, especially if you only get a sacred 30-45 a month. Take 'em straight. If you have an obscene quantity like tom did - give it a try. It is a mellower feeling than you get when you take 'em straight. You kind of sit there and say..."Mmmmmm...I think they're working..." But you're not sure. When I did it with the codeine, I'd use 20 at a time in order to get enough codeine to actually be beneficial...20 x 8mg is only 160mg, minus what you lose so let's say 120-130mg's at best...like dropping 4 #3's or 2 #4's. Highly wasteful. Plus the caffeine in those suckers come along for the ride and make for a stranger than normal codeine feeling...you can't tell which that you feel. Vicodinguurrllll, I don't think you'll get what you're looking for unless you are only at a stage where 3 or so vicodin in one shot straight give you pain relief and/or euphoria. If you're up to 8-10+ a day, you'll be wondering why you just wasted a handful of them! One way that does work is - mix it up - i.e. take 3 straight and dilute 4 of them etc. Seems to actually work sometimes. I have always been extremely short of pain meds and hesitate to use any of them for this purpose...also - tom - do you ever find that Darvon gives you visual disturbances? If I take 3-4 DarvocetN-100 or 4+ Darvon in a shot, I start seeing cross eyed and it only takes 1-2 to really jag a dose. Also, do you find Darvon to be more mentally clouding - along the lines of morphine - than say Hydrocodone? I feel like my brain is high on pot when I take Darvon...I can think, but it's a little/alot less than sharp. Pot does the same thing to me...that's why I never got into pot. Darvon seems alot more like a brain narcotic whereas Hydrocodone/Oxycodone seems like a body narcotic. I can have 40 Darvon and still crave the pain relief of Vicodin. Darvon are, in my opinion, one of the dirtiest feeling and acting drugs out there...of course it doesn't mess with the sex drive like the others do, and that's cool, but for pain relief it comes at the high price of mental clouding for me - do you ever find that? Finally - I like how the anonymous poster says just "have your doctor switch you to roxicodone" (!!!!!!!!) Oh yeah, that'll work! "Hey doc, I'm worried about the tylenol in vicodin ruining my liver...can you switch me to a triplicate straight narcotic please? Gee, thanks. That was easy"........YEAH RIGHT! Good luck. Any doctor will tell you that if you use vicodin in it's normal therapeutic ranges you have NOTHING to worry about. Anyway, I'm done rambling...sorry for the long post...Mike P. (P.S. - tom, am I right when I do the math for you 12 Darvon a day x 30 = 360 Darvon a month? Sorry to be so nosy, but in between my Vicodin scripts I get a handful of Darvon from my sister and was just curious about this...)

by to doc dan from joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Tom,



I had no idea that a triplicate goes to the DEA, does that mean they are keeping tabs on me and may come knocking at my door?

by to doc dan from joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Tom,



I had no idea that a triplicate of the script goes to the DEA, does that mean they are keeping tabs on me and may come knocking at my door?

by Mike P. to Ken, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
If you're legit Joe, I wouldn't worry...The doctor has more to lose than you do - all you're doing is filling and taking a prescribed substance right? I may have missed something - i.e. forgery etc. but if I didn't and you're on the up and up with the prescriptions, you have nothing to worry about. On the other hand if the DEA doesn't think that your situation warrants the amount of triplicate scripts your doctor is writing, he may be questioned about it. I.E. - the doc is writing 100 percodan every 2 weeks for a sore elbow or skinned knee.

by tom to joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
it means that everything on the script, drug, patient name, doctor, etc. is in a computer file which can be searched and sorted any way they want. As long as you aren't getting them from multiple doctors you don't have anything to worry about. It's the doctors they are "tracking." They can, for example, get a report of how many roxicodones your doc has dispensed in the last year, that kind of thing. But, yes, it's all on record.



It is anyway for regular scripts. Most pharmacies will comply with a cop's request for a look at their computerized records, which would include all scripts. But, unless you're doing something that brings you to the attention of the cops or feds, you don't have anything to worry about.

by to doc dan from joe, Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Thanks,



Yes, I'm taking them legitimately but I don't want any hassels from the DEA, just want to keep my liver healthy

by tom to Mike P., Oct 19, 2000 12:00AM
Mike, I'm on the way to the dentist, but i'll