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drug screens

by kimet, Oct 22, 2000 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
my fiance just had a positive drug screen for cocaine? how likely is it for percocet or vicodin to be mistaken for cocaine in a urine screen? if he was in an enclosed environment with someone who was smoking crack, would that give him a positive also? what effects would crack have on a person with hiv+ disease whose cd4 count is only 93? are there any false positives to cocaine with the use of herbals like siberian genseng, echinacea, goldenseal, aloe vera gel tabs, ginko biloba?

thanks for the info.
Member Comments (15)

by Chad B, Oct 22, 2000 12:00AM
It sounds to me he is smoking or snorting coke.  From what I understand, there are very few things that will make you test positive for crack, unless you are smoking it.  About the HIV there will be a doctor on this forum shortly to answer your question, he is usually very good about that, give him time ok?  I wish you well, it sounds to me he needs help.  Do anything you can.  Please.  Chad

by Brian to Kimet, Oct 24, 2000 12:00AM
It is not possible for a drug screen to confuse an opiate with cocaine.  Secondhand smoke from crack would not cause a positive either.  He should be tested again in case of a mistake, but if that comes up positive, he has used cocaine.



To all of you who are used to me regularly posting here, let me explain why I haven't been here lately and may not be back for a while.  I relapsed, big time.  I am going to be away in a treatment program for a month (leaving soon).  Despite all my knowledge and prior relapses and promises to myself I would stay clean, I became complacent.  I used this board as a substitute for working a program.  I hope I have been of some help to you, but I must now focus on myself.  Thanks for listening, and remember, this disease is tenacious and deadly.  The withdrawal part is what we tend to focus on because it is painful and easier to deal with than the mental part.  Please learn something from my failure, yet again, to keep the mental part a focus of recovery.  No matter how much "clean time" you have, how bad you felt the last time you went through withdrawal, or how many promises you make to yourself, your loved ones and friends, you will likely relapse unless you work on the tough things that cause relapses.  I regret that I forgot this lesson, and now I must pay a heavy price.  I wish the best for you all, and I hope some of you will pray for me.  I need it.  Brian

by Bob K, Oct 24, 2000 12:00AM
Brian you have helped me so much I couldnt begin to say. Your advice on buprenorphine has helped me to stay clean for sixteen weeks now. I will pray for you and I know and hope you will be ok. We need you on this forum please come back when you can. sincerly Bob K

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Oct 24, 2000 12:00AM
I'm stunned but I understand. I've done it too so many times. You would think that after so many years of being clean and all the knowledge that we would be bulletproof! It's always lurking just around the corner, isn't it? You've helped us more than you will ever know. Go with God and take care of yourself!

by tom to Brian, Oct 24, 2000 12:00AM
we have and will miss you, Brian. You deserve a place in our prayers and will get one. get well, brother. tom

by God keep Brian, Oct 24, 2000 12:00AM
For those who don't know him, Brian is a recoverying addict and physician. He has relapsed, with, apparently, very serious consequences to his life and work. Brian freely shared his knowledge, his story and his compassion with countless visitors to this site, myself included. Please join me in saying a prayer for his recovery tonight. tom

by To Trish from Kate, Oct 25, 2000 12:00AM
Godspeed on Brian's recovery. We need him. Amen.

by Carmen to Brian, Oct 25, 2000 12:00AM
My dear brother, Brian, may you stay strong and recovery quickly.  You have truly been a blessing and inspiration to all of us here.  To know that you are suffering is more that I can bear. You have been my rock and I have learned so much from you, but we are all human and make mistakes.  This disease is so sneaky and devious that we must stay on guard.  I have not posted in a while - since I have been so ashamed of my own relapse (but come here everyday to get some relief and insight).  Of course we will pray for you!!! Your prayers are answered already -- since you are alive and attaining help.  Come back soon, cause we are all here rooting and waiting for you.  Sincerely, Carmen

by Frankinscense, Oct 27, 2000 12:00AM
This kind man(Brian) or drug guru certainly worked tirelessly to help others with drug issues. This man was a physician? I never saw any credentials. How could a guy with a practice have that much energy to answer or comment on almost everyones problem. Oh, there is the answer he relapsed "big time". He should of taken more time practicing what he preached. I still here the cry. "Where's Brian"? I new the man had to be using. Oh well here is hoping and praying that he will survive another detox. What is wrong with picture? What can this man do to keep from relapsing?

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Oct 27, 2000 12:00AM
Okay, what is wrong with this picture? Do you have any answers or do you just ask questions?

Addiction plain and simple just wears a person down to the point of relapse. It is a disease for Christ's sake. Brian admitted that he was spending too much time here and not working a program. The program is the twelve steps of NA.  If he works the program properly, he will prevail! That's a given. Nobody has been able to maintain perfect adherance to the program's policies because we are human beings with a lot of frailties.  At least Brian saw what his problem was and is hopefully on the road to recovery. Thanks.

by Frankinscense, Oct 28, 2000 12:00AM
There is an answer for the person that relapses. Relapses in themselves are very dangerous because of the fact that when a person is drug free there is the issue of having no tolerances to their drug of choice in particular opiates. The person relapsing may choose to try a dose that was close to what he took before relapsing -- boom there he is with an overdose due to having no tolerance.(for instance his dose before relapsing was 80 mgm's of Oxycotin and then takes 60 mgms to be conservative- 60 mgm's may overdose someone without a tolerance to narcotics. Stopping breathing is hard to deal with when you are by yourself and do not have any Narcan to inject) I have seen this happen a few times. Luckly we keep Narcan at my treatment center.

For the person that continually relapes  there is but one solution:Methadone Maintenance Therapy (MMT). Try to do some research on Dr. Dole and read what he says about Methadone. I can't seem to convince anyone of the Harm Reduction and success with the disease of opiate addiction that MMT offers. If a person would read a little medical research and read what Dr.DOLE MD,Dr.Maxwell(Marc)Shindermann MD, Dr.J. Payte MD, have to say about MMT, maybe they will be convinced of methadone's life saving properities. There is so much useful information on the web in regard to MMT it is just plain ignorance or laziness on the part of the addict for not researching it. People, methadone is MUCH safer than all the tylenol and impure narcotic combinatons that people are using to satisfy thier habits,chronic pain or cravings.Methadone like morphine has a very low order of toxicity.Research has revealed to me that coedine,demerol and darvon are probably the most toxic of the short acting analgesics. The least toxic ones such as morphine,methadone,hydro &oxy morphone are very hard to get through legitimate prescriptions.(with good reason)  Methadone has gotten a bad rap over the years because of many things. But the main reason is all the rhetoric people pass around that is simply NONMEDICAL hearsay by a heroin addicts or opinions formed by people who are not experts such as politicians who know nothing about the disease of opiate addiction. For the sake of your life please read what the experts, listed above have to say about methadone before it is too late. Methadone is not for everyone I must say that. Their is also LAAM which is also saved many a opiate pill addict. BUT for the person that does not have success with 12 step programs and continually and chronically fails treatment plans these methods of Harm Reduction are proven to be the most successful for the disease of opiate addiction. Methadone and Laam can be used as a tool in long (the rest of your life) term or short term  maintenance; whatever works for you and your philosophy of treatment. One must develop these philosophies by doing research and do not pay attention to unreliable nonmedical sources.  Everyone should concern themselves with finding the the best and least toxic of drugs to maintain there disease. When methadone is given at an "adequate dose" it can offer a patient piece of mind and relief from pain. I have to stop> As you all may see that I am very passionate in regard to the information that I am passing on to you all -- so much in fact that I have started an internship in Chem. Dep. Coun. I hope I have shed a little light on a disease that is a very serious matter. Also Euphoria and the search for it is a mental health disease in itself. Research the "THE GOOD DRUG GUIDE" or the "HEDONISTIC IMPERATIVE" I do not necessarily agree with everything written by this group of researchers but it gives all something to think about. Especially "THE RESPONSIBLE PARENT'S GUIDE TO HEALTHY MOOD-BOOSTERS FOR ALL THE FAMILY. (A must read for all addicts and addicts who R in denial) I must stop here before I blow the entire contents of my book. Ha Ha !!

Sincerely, Dan(aka Doc) c.d.c.i.

by Brighty to Brian...and everyone, Oct 30, 2000 12:00AM
This is my first day here in a couple of months. I had wondered where you were. I guess you will eventually come back to read the responses. My daughter has been in treatment since April and will finally be coming home in time for Christmas. I am going to print out your comments about working a program so that she does not get complacent and expect that she is automatically "cured". She has had very intense therapy for a childhood trauma (rape) and we are praying that now she can face her demons and will have more understanding of her reason for using. I send my prayers to all of you who share so much here. And Brian, you will have special prayers also. Blessings to you, Tom, and everyone......I have gotten so much support and information from all of you... I'm staying on but don't visit as often. Please remember my daughter, Gina, in your prayers. We almost lost her several times to OD and suicide attempts. I am so happy she is coming home but also have lots of anxiety. She is just 21 and it's a dangerous world out there. I will continue to pray for all of you. Love, Brighty

by tom to Brighty, Oct 30, 2000 12:00AM
blessings back at you, Brighty. Good to hear from you. Someone once said, "There are no second acts in American life." I know they weren't thinking of addicts, and certainly not about Brian. An addict's life is a long-running series, complete with summer reruns, sequels and cheesy spinnoffs. Brian will be back. And back, and back and ... well you get the idea. The concept of redemption was tailor-made for us. Take care. Give your daughter my sincerest wishes for her recovery.

by Brighty to Tom, Nov 07, 2000 12:00AM
Hi Tom, Just dropped in again to find your post. I have been reading some of the comments from you, to you and others on this board. You are doing a fine job of keeping the information at the level where it belongs. There are no absolutes here and your information is valid and caring. Keep up the support. One thing I am certain about, and I don't need to be an addict to know this, there are so many grey areas in addiction. I still have not heard of a doctor who is a true expert in this field because there is the ever present business of psychological addiction which no one but the addict can get in touch with. I have also never heard of a doctor who can accurately measure physical pain for another person without their input. This is not an exact science and the information about this "condition" is data proof.... there is no system designed to collect data on the untold thousands who recover on their own after 20 days or 20 years or more of addiction. My daughter just attended an NA dance for Halloween and then a short meeting which ended with the group saying aloud that "once an addict not forever an addict, we do recover." That was a new one she hadn't heard before.... they explained that the number of addicts in the world is ever increasing and that nobody has  a monopoly or a truly correct answer on the miracle of healing. I am neutral as I  do not have chemical addiction. I suppose that the gist of my comment is that you offer tremendous information and support to so many. Those who do not agree simply need to find their own path and realize that aside from factual information on chemicals, the healing is a primarily spititual/mental/emotional process.  Afterall, this is a 100 % healable condition. God bless you in your personal journey and thank you for the help you offered when I needed it. I will be back from time to time. You may reach me at ***@****   Love, Brighty

by liquidivy, Oct 06, 2007 09:57PM
To: anyone
How long does it take for heroin to metabolise in your system where it no longer shows up as heroin, but as an opiate?  I have heard that after a few hours of taking it it will come up as an opiate like a pain pill will.  What is this time frame.

Good luck on your recovery and remember not to feel bad and like a failure.  Everyone slips, but your on top of it and getting the help you need, thats all that matters!!!
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