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Vicodine

by LeAnne, Nov 30, 2000 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
A close friend was in a car accident in Nov 1999.  He was sent home with Moriphine after breaking his jaw.  Since this time he has been taking other prescription meds and drinking while he does them.  His mother and I are at a loss for what to do.  She only recently found out about the problem.  Can you tell me what the consequences are for this behavior and any suggestions on what we can do are appricated.
Member Comments (21)

by to Kat, Nov 30, 2000 12:00AM
It is quite dangerous to take narcotics and drink, due to possible central nervous system depression.  The combination can be fatal (the brain esentially decides to slow down so much that you stop breathing).  He must be told of this danger, if he doesn't already know.  He sounds like an addict, and should be encouraged to seek help from NA or an addiction specialist.  You guys need to intervene and help him.  Remember, however, addicts can only be helped IF they want it.  If not, he will simply continue and there isn't much you can then do.  Good luck.

by To All from Kimberly, Nov 30, 2000 12:00AM
I am sorry to ask a question on someone elses post but I am wondering how hydro (about 180 mg per day) withdrawl's compare to the withdrawls a heroin addict goes through?  How seriously does methadone clinic's take pain pill detox?  Just wondering, I am having a hard time kicking this.  I am going to try NA,  I always start out so motivated but as soon as the depression kicks in that's where I always fail.  Thank you all for your support.  God Bless  Kimberly

by To sick and scared from Neena, Nov 30, 2000 12:00AM
Withdrawals from opiates is horrible.  I detoxed on my own at home and endured about 4 days of pure Hell and 10 days of not feeling free of the drug, Vicoden.  Although, not life-threatening, the suffering is really bad and will make someone think twice about using again.  I have never used heroin, so I cannot compare the two.  Please be careful with pain pills.  They mimic the endorphins in your brain, thus your body stops producing them on it's own....if abused, that is.  If you decide to detox at home, don't be alone if possible.  It is humiliating, but you will be stronger for it.  Good Luck to you, Neena

by Brian Stevens, Nov 30, 2000 12:00AM
I can only share what I went through when I broke my neck in a car accident in 1982.  First he's addicted to pain (opiate) medication and probably alcohol.  This combination could kill him I strongly suggest you find a pain clinic or Doctor that will take notice and help.  He needs to be worked off the pain medication as he does not probably need it now.  I turned into a terrible person turning on everybody.  Most of all he needs your love and understanding.  And at times this will be more then tough but stick by your son and brother.  I am still in a wheelchair after 18 years and still have pain complications but somebody walking and over surgery, how long?  But the combination of alcohol and the narcotics will kill, it will depress his respiratory system and he'll just go to sleep.  Forever.  I don't mean to sound tough but that's what he needs.  Good luck it hurts every time I hear this type of story I sincerely hope you and yours get help in time.  Brian

by for Sick and scared/beware of Vicky!!, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
I am sorry for having to invade this post but I have been trying to post a question for 48 hours and I need help fast.

My brother is a recovering addict and has been clean for 6 years. He has been through it all. Addicted to every kind of drug out there. After detox and some probation (long story) he got clean. It almost cost him his job and his wife and children.

It seemed like a good ending to a nightmare.

Our father is terminally ill and is in need of constant care.

My brother jumped at the chance to have him move in with he and his family. I am afraid I have an idea why.

My dad is on pain meds to control his pain. He is picky and complains about every med he has taken so there is a large selection in the cupboards from MScontin, oxycontin, Oxy IR, vicodin ES and vicodin 10mg. You name it he has tried it but complains it makes him sick etc....

Lately I have noticed my brother is on this "high" as far as his energy level, happy go lucky attitude that usually he is more sober and quiet. I am very scared he is helping himself to the meds my dad refuses to take. If I dare make this an issue he will just deny it and give me the "how dare you" sermon. I have noticed in the past he has been more the happy to go to the dentist for a toothache and it never ends from there. He probably goes back to the dentist at least 2 or 3 more times for the same problem saying "it still hurts" so that is what started me wondering a while back but NOW with Dad there and his array of pain meds, I am wondering and very worried as to what my brother is up to. How tempting is this for him? I know he would not risk losing his family again but then again, addicts are good at being in denial. Correct me if I am wrong. Advice please...anybody. Thanks

Karen G

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
You have a very good reason to barge in here.  I was on my way out the door when I noticed your post so I will try to give you some help.  First of all, if you have noticed a personality change in your brother, he is either in love or found a good source of drugs.  Ask any addict and they will tell you that their seratonin levels rise dramatically just being near drugs.  The temptation is probably more than he can bear for a minute or two.  Add the fact that your Dad doesn't want to take them and BINGO!  To be sure, keep an eye on those meds even if it means counting each pill.  You'll know quickly whether your brother has found himself a new candy store!  If he is guilty, you will have to keep the meds locked up or ask him to leave and get some help or both.

by Frankinscense, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
I agree with JB. My personal advice to you is as follows. Do not delay counting and keeping a strict inventory on the meds in question. DO NOT confront your brother or person in question until you are sure about the facts. Doing otherwise will just make him be more careful and he will do whateveer it takes not to get caught. Again,do not accuse him until you are sure about your facts. Remember that addiction to pain medicine is a disease that is always with the afflicted person. It is either active or in remission never completely cured. Treatment for this disease should never cease lest it sticks it's ugly tongue at you to remind that it is STILL there! My best,Remain Spiritual Always,

Dan...

by To sick and scared from Neena, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
Listen to these folks...as we all have been there.  Count the pills immediately, or at least find another spot to put them.  Tell your father of the situation.  I too, have stolen pills from family members.  I am very ashamed of it, very, very ashamed.  An addicted person will do these things, so don't think that you are over reacting.  Follow your instincts.  If you confront him, and you get "the sermon"...ask him to take a urine test.  That is what I am doing.  I wanted it.  My doctor said that if he suspects or if I feel the need to use again, he would be happy to test me.  Make him prove it to you.  A true clean person, I believe will consent for his sister and his family, for they only have his best interest at heart and love him.  Neena

by To sick and scared from Neena, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
After reading Dan's post...confronting him may be the wrong thing to do at THIS  point.  I can only give my opinion.  I would be furious if someone accused me of using, and I WASN'T.  But, on the other hand, my family has taken a different route with me and it has made all the difference.  Start by counting the pills.  Good Luck and your brother is blessed to have someone like you watching over him.  Neena

by for Sick and scared/beware of Vicky!!, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
I want to thank you all for taking the time to respond to my question. I will make it a point to count every pill in every bottle and document them. My dad currently is taking vicodin ES every 4 hours so I will count those as well and I will keep in mind how much SHOULD be missing from the bottle. I will not say a word to him about what I suspect because he surely will deny it if he is guilty. He is great at turning the tables around and making me look like the "bad girl" and that is what he will do. His wife is also what you might call "oblivious" to him because she has no idea what an addict is. She finds an excuse for him for everything! She has said before that he

"used" to have an addiction to drugs but I know that it is a disease that you will have for life no matter if you stay clean or not. It doesnt go away. His wife believes him no matter what and so therefore I know not to even confide in her. My Dad is also someone I couldnt talk to about this because in his condition he would just freak out thinking that my brother may be on the verge of relapse and it would be a mess. But I will keep watch on every pill. I hope and pray I am wrong here but I am no fool. My brother is on this kick about Christmas, decorating the outside of his house beyond belief, cleaning out the garage, the basement, and we are talking about a man that usually spends his weekends relaxing in his favorite chair with remote control in hand. He calls and talks on the phone to me a mile a minute about nothing much!!!

This is not like him to all of a sudden, after working 50 hours a week, to want to induldge in such activities.

Thank you all once again. I will keep in touch to let you know how the situation looks. Hopefully it will be that I am just paranoid.

Karel

by FROM SAMANTHA TO PAM, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
Unfortunately, I do not think your paranoid. I have experience from a loved one being an addict. In the beginning, the drugs give that euphoric "high". After his addiction requires more and more to achieve that high, I think you'll notice a change. Watch for any mood swings and signs of depressive behavior. Obviously, if confronted, I'm sure he will become defensive. Perhaps he has had a relapse and the situation with your father has enabled him to readily access the meds. I agree with the suggestion that if he is truly clean, he will willingly submit to a drug test. Why would he refuse a test if he is doing nothing wrong? Good luck and my prayers are with you and your father as well.

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
I think the next step to think about are the withdrawals.  They will inevitably come and you will definately know.  If and when this comes about, you will need a lot of help.  Plus there's your Dad to worry about.  I'll be thinking about you and praying that things work out for the best!

by Lynn to Neena, Dec 01, 2000 12:00AM
Phil, are you out there? Ok I'm ready. I called AAA and am getting a map to go see Dr. Gooberman, I talked to the nurse twice today and she knows I am coming. I shouldnt make such a big deal of this, right? I just need some imput from you OK? How much  better do you feel since taking the buprenex? Do you feel human again? What if someone put 20 percs in front of you? Any craving or desire? I would really, really like to be sure on this. I cant take this lifestyle anymore, and cant look for a job in this condition. Anything you can tell me to get my dead ass there will be helpful, like I said, I"M READY!

by Phil to Lynn, Dec 04, 2000 12:00AM
I just read this post, so I don't know if you already went or not.  What else can I say to you that I haven't already??  Buprenorphine will make it easy to detox.  Yes, I felt human after detox was over.  IT WILL NOT TAKE AWAY YOUR CRAVINGS OR KEEP YOU CLEAN AFTER DETOX IS DONE.  Clear?  That part's up to you.  If you really want off the drugs, go get detoxed, THEN the hard part starts.  Get in NA or AA.  Work a program.  Stay focused on recovery.  Exercise.  Get involved in something spiritual.  Volunteer for a charity or something.  These are the ways to stay off the drugs