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possible drug addiction

by Nana, Dec 29, 2000 12:00AM
We have a young man in our office,he just turned 21, who has had drug problems in the past but claims to be clean, his actions are very eratic, sometimes he seems extremely happy and other times very depressed. He just moved back home with his parents and often, he says, goes home for lunch. When he returns, many times his face is scarlet red, he coughs and sniffs alot. In time the redness goes away, (maybe an hour). I am concerned about him, I believe hes back on the drugs. Does the redness in his face indicate the use of cocaine? How can we help him?
Member Comments (27)

by barbara to pain and lortab, Dec 29, 2000 12:00AM


It sounds like you are fishing for trouble you cannot prove unless they give drug testing at your company. I'd be careful about defamation if I were you.



A red face simply could be how he looks while his body is digesting food. Or caffiene, or an arguement with the wife etc.

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Dec 29, 2000 12:00AM
Don't try to help him unless he asks for help.  Barbara is right about fishing for trouble.  You could end up doing more harm than good.  Just be patient and wait to see what happens.  It's not easy, I know.

by petie, Dec 29, 2000 12:00AM
I think the guy is is doing ropes on his lunch break..

Is he anxious to leave come lunch break...

How is his performance after he does the white goddess ??

I agree with the others not to mention it...he will trip his own self up..



Now about Oxy's

can you or do you want to snort oxy's

by Nana, Dec 29, 2000 12:00AM
thank you all... Barbara, JB & Petie for your reply and comments, I am not, repeat, AM NOT, fishing for trouble, I have no intention of defaming him, nor would I offer unwanted advise, I AM, however, concerned about the young man and thought I could get some intelligent answers about his possible use of drugs. Obviously, I picked the wrong site!!!

by Brighty to Nana, Dec 30, 2000 12:00AM
I sure don't think you picked the wrong site :- because there is good information to be gotten here) and I don't doubt for a minute that you are on to something!!! especially if you are acutally a Nana !!!! The problem here is that you are in the workplace and that takes on a whole new climate of behaviors in your wanting to help him... you simply cannot cross over some lines. If he is using it will become evident and probably interrupt his ability to work. If you work for a large company with benefits and his usage ( if that's really what it is) becomes a concern to a greater number of people it may be that the boss and administration will do a formal intervention to get him into a rehab. In any case be a proper co-worker friend and maybe he will want to come to you personally. If not, then I would have to agree with all the replies listed above mine. Love, Brighty

by Nana, Dec 30, 2000 12:00AM
I am truly a NANA!!! With 5 grandchildren, in the administration of this small company, I am still looking for answers. He did come to me, he told me about his past drug use, when he first came to work for us and unfortunatly, I AM STILL LOOKING FOR ANSWERS....thanks for nothing....

by Brighty to Nana, Dec 30, 2000 12:00AM
The answers you are looking for are not easy to come by.... you wanted to know if redness in his face is caused by cocaine use. Well it could also be an allergy... every one of the symptoms you mentioned... coughing and sniffing are very common... I am asthmatic and my symptoms are identical to the ones you mentioned and my face gets red... often cold air or post nasal drip give me the same symptoms... sometime after eating I get this way.... and I do not use cocaine or other drugs. I am sorry you seem so annoyed with us but the only way you are going to find out for sure is to take him aside and ask him.... after all you are now offering that you are part of the administration so perhaps this is within your authority. I don't doubt that you care about him. The responses you got here are because most people tend to be respectful of job security and likely felt that you did not have enough to go on. Lots of people have had past drug problems but that alone is not enough to decide they are having problems again. More tell tale than his red face or his coughing and sniffing would be his behavior.... does he seem weird or different when he returns from lunch... is he aggressive or very talkative... is his job performance dropping off.... does he steal or lie... does he seem disoriented... is he having conflicts with other employees... is he missing work or leaving early... if you can say yes to most of those questions then you are on to something.... but if he simply comes in from lunch with a red face and sniffing then I'd suggest you mind you offer him some kleenex and mind your own business.

by Gloria, Dec 30, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Nana,

I am uncertain where the anger you are spewing is coming from, but your question will be answered by the forum's physician at some point.  In the meantime, the people that respond to this forum/your post, are offering whatever advice they feel might apply to your situation.  The responses to your post may be very sincere or tainted with sarcasm, wit, etc., but it is because we are all individuals and we base our responses on our life experiences.  As for your employee, he may or may not be back on drugs, but without a positive drug screen, or observation of him using drugs, your GUESS is just as good as ours.  "Does the redness in his face indicate he is using drugs?"--maybe yes, maybe no.  Nana, I know you would like concrete answers, but I do not believe you can get them without hard evidence.  A red face, erratic behavior, severe mood swings, sniffling, could all point to drug use, but also a many other things--this I know from my experience in the medical profession.  If you would like, I could list a multitude of medical problems that mimic drug use.  That is why everyone has urged you to procede with caution regarding this issue.  You asked how you can help him.  I can assure you (from personal experience), that until I reached the deepest part of that black hole of addiction, with no light in sight, no one could help me until I wanted to help myself.  It is admirable that you want to help this young man, regardless of whatever is causing his change in behavior.  For him, I hope drugs are not the problem, but with his past history, if he is not using, he will be shortly due to whatever stress he is under.  I wish you the best on your journey to find answers regarding this situation.  Gloria

by Brighty to Gloria, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
Thanks Gloria,

You handled it better than I did... I am a nana too !! so it was positive wit I was using there... thanks for the assistance. Love, Brighty

by Nana, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
To everyone who has responded to my original question!

I am not angry, as someone has just indicated, I asked a simple question and I am accused of trying to defame the young man, "mind my own business" etc. I don't feel that I am the one that needs a lecture. And of all things "if you are actually a NANA?"

The 2nd reply from Brighty tells me that, yes indeed he could have allergies, but in all honesty and with his past history, how can anyone believe he has suddenly developed an allergy.



Let me tell you more about "Mark."

His family are friends of the owners of the company.

He is consistantly late for work.

Some days he doesn't show up at all and then calls in sick (hours after his scheduled work time) or with an excuse he forgot a dental appt...etc. etc.

He sleeps at his desk.

His production has never been up to par.

Some days hes happy, energetic, other days lethargic & irritable.

And.. as far as my 2nd question "How can we help him?" I think we already have, by not firing him.

I want to thank everyone who responded to my letter, for your concern about "Mark" and me....truly I am not an angry person, sorry I came across that way, it is quite obvious to me now that he is back on drugs and there is nothing I can do about it, except tolerate his behavior. And as others have suggested.."Butt out Nana!"

by tom to Nana, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
yeah, you've got it right. He's doing something at lunch he can't just do in the Men's room. My guess is crack. But opiates like heroin give you a flush, too. He'll finally rack up so many sick days and late arrivals and no shows after lunch that you'll have grounds for 86-ing him just on attendance. Some companies give their employees at least one chance at rehab and a probationary period, but that's up to, I guess, the big boss at your company. You offended some of us with the "I came to the wrong place" and "thanks for nothing" comments. Lighten up on that stuff. We don't owe you anything. You asked us, we gave you the best answers we knew how to give. Take it or leave it. But keep the critique to yourself.

by Nana, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
I asked for advise, I got criticism.

If I offended some with my comments, so be it...

End of discussion..

by Brighty to Nana, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
We are ending a year and starting a new one and I personally want to send you my wish for peace. I too am sorry if I offended you. I believe everyone here was sincere in the posts they sent to you. Please understand that in your first couple of posts you offered little but his red face and coughing and sniffing. It has taken several posts from you to learn that he has other symptoms. Based on all that I am certain you know something's up. I was very sincere when I said if you were actually a nana you were on to something. I am a nana too. I meant the comment as a compliment to your wisdom as a mother and a grandmother... that you pretty much had things figured out. In no way did I mean any thing sarcastic. Having kids and grandkids gives you a leg up on knowing the score... you earned this special wisdom. I am sorry you were unhappy with the replies. I know for a fact as someone who has been here for nine months that they were not criticizing... they were giving you the best advice based on the limited information you supplied. Now that you are affirming many more evident symptoms of drug abuse I can see that you probably want to know how to help him. Well, you can lead the horse to water.... i call that intervention... you do not say who else is involved with you in wanting to help. Afterall, the boss gets the say so. I think you can all take him aside and tell him you know he needs help and that you expect him to accept help if he is to continue working there. If he does not have a benefit package that covers this then it seems to me that all you can do is assist him in finding a community based program where he can detox and hopefully find some outpatient treatment consisting of counseling and relapse prevention skills. He should get involved in a recovery group of some type... NA and AA or Rational Recovery.... but again, Nana, he has to want this for himself. If he is still at a place in his addiction where he denies that he is physically and mentally ill then you are spinning your wheels. The sad reality is that most drug abusers have to suffer alot before they finally decide they need to change. This is because the drug causes powerful cravings that make it seem impossible to quit. They generally go on and on until they end in jail, an ER or lose families and careers. If this were not so then we could all use drugs for a little fun and put them down when we wanted to. This young man is living in a distorted reality and your gentle caring is very valuable to him. That does not mean he will change readily. But every bit of love and caring we offer another in pain is not in vain. I hope you will reconsider and come back here and let us know what happens at your company with this young man. I am certain that now you understand more, and we understand more you will get better replies from the people that come here. God bless you in your efforts to help another... Happy New Year to you. Love, Brighty

by From Aunt Lindy to Mariah, Dec 31, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Brighty,

You know that all of us here know that you meant "If you are actually a Nana" that in a loving way.  How someone can come to a site ask for help and then tear the site apart because of our answers is terribly sad.  We are by no means experts we too have problems.  That is how we found this site! I just wanted you to remind you that you are appreciated.  Gloria was so eloquent wasn't she!  I know that the lady needs help but it makes me sad that she came here and indicates we are not intelligent and "thanks for nothing".  I know that there is nothing we can do about it but tolerate HER behavior.  I vote for giving her money back.

Brighty I think you are terrific!  I will be president of YOUR fan club ANYTIME!

XO

Marcie!

by Brighty to Marcie, Jan 01, 2001 12:00AM