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Withdrawal and a strange mark

by Lorkust, Apr 19, 2001 12:00AM
I stopped drinking for good last night, but I still have the shakes today.  When will this withdrawal symtom subside?   Also, I have this purple-hickey like mark on my neck that appeared out of nowhere.  I didn't have it all day, then while on the phone later that evening, it appeared.  Could this be from drinking?  I'm really worried that I may drop dead.  Please help me!
Member Comments (35)

by spook, Apr 19, 2001 12:00AM
To: Lorkust
How long and how much have you been drinking?

Have you every stoped abrupty before after drinking for similar periods and amounts?

Then some answers.

Note,it is possible to die from alcohol withdrawal,but so far it is rare.

by Pixie, Apr 19, 2001 12:00AM
To: Lorkust
I don't think you will drop dead. The mark sure sounds strange, but maybe it's a bruise. Were you thrashing in your sleep last night? Sometimes the shakes from withdrawal can be pretty violent. Once when I was going through withdrawal I had abrubt spasms that would make my arm or leg fling out with alarming force. It would happen every 15-30 seconds, too. I could see how something like that could cause bruises.

If you are really concerned for your health, then you should go to the hospital. You may need the support and medicines they can provide to help you detoxify anyway. Doing it on your own doesn't have the highest success rate. Best wishes to you. I'd like to see you get through this-you have already taken the first step!

Pixie

by mdp1954, Apr 20, 2001 12:00AM
I am a member of two online recovery groups for Rx addiction.  We can be found at:



www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/pillsanonymous  and

www.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/readladviceforrealrecovery.



Or go to Yahoo.com, click clubs, click support, click recovery and search pills anonymous or real advice for real recovery.



Hope to see you all there.



Mary

by Frank Lee, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
It is not "rare" to die from ethanol w/d, it happens all the time.This person needs to get into a hospital. This is the kind of esoteric, irresponsible advice you don't want to be giving. Where the hell is a moderator? Christ, what a stupid response. Sorry, but this is not an itellectual game of I know more than you - the individual is in trouble. Spook - what an apt name. This makes me really mad - I thought this was a board that helped people.



Lorkust - GET TO AN ER ROOM NOW! , tell them how much you were drinking and when you stopped. Also, get tested for HIV.



Flee.

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Frank Lee
Come up with some statistics to back up your predominently EMOTIVE reactionary `response`,if you do you will see the error,

IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL IT IS RARE TO DIE FROM ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL



As far as Moderators go,do you think You qualify?,I know I do.

HERE is the key word "RARE".

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
Christ,its "RARE" to go out on a friday night and fall in love,but what the hell people do all the time,DEFINE "RARE",1 in 1000 ,1 in 100 1 in 10 ?,come on,**** I gave reasonable advice and you come up with absolute Garbage,how about some more handy advice:the only mark you need to worry about is the 666 appearing on your forehead!.

Are you Challenging my 23 years of work in this field,if so be prepeared for a battle neither of us will win.

Now pull finger out and give quotes as per stats from dying from alcohol withdrawal(ie 1 in 1234)etc etc and the exact definition of "rare".In the same numerical logic schemata.

Or shut the **** up.

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Know it all
Quote:"itellectual game of I know more than you - the individual is in trouble. Spook - what an apt name".

=================================================================

All I FEEL like saying now is:=

You cannot even spell!.I am `far` more intelligent than you,my name is LUKE. G. EDWARD(not SPOOK), I live at u54/21 harvest rd ,North

Fremantle Western Australia 6159, Phone# (061)(08)94335031 and email address of ***@**** am 38 years old. born on 6-4-1963,that is 4-6-1963 to you Yanks,I suppose next you want my credit card also?,well **** off.

You want to come clean on exactly who you are?or do you lack confidence?What are your Qualifications?.



My dear friends named me spook over 25 years ago and still affectionately call me spooky,so what does this do to your "apt" analogical psuedointellectual interpretation.



Go and practice Wichcraft or something that will keep a Psychotic brain like yours content.



You are the one in trouble MATE.

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Frank Lee and McGill
Comment By: McGill to Frank Lee on Saturday, March 31, 2001



"How am I the pest? I wrote a helpful comment for the man. I get called a pest while So called "Spook" writes things no one needs".

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Both of You are welcome to head over to the mental health forum,if you want help.



Mcgill,if you can focus on something other than your pathetic MALE ego for 2 seconds you will notice that my replies are the most requested on this forum(take 2 hours and read every thread),I try to help people because I have suffered(SAME) and know what it feels like.Your motives are not for me to judge,but I do find you at pest even at even your best.



Maybe you and Frank can do some MALE bonding and gang up on the SPOOK that threatens your pathetic EGO`s.

Signed:Luke,Also known as Spook to people who like me.  

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Lorkust
If you are or were going to DIE you would have done so by now,I will presume you have,seems you have not answered in 3 days,If only you listened to Frank you would be still alive.Oh well,still 6 Billion people left,we will see if we can manage without you.Although "I" heard the local Liqour store is going into liquidation.Is not life CRUEL.

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
An interview with Cindy Thompson and Phil Garfinkel , who together created Med Help International, a non-profit World Wide Web site based in Melbourne, Florida

Q: The site is very explicit in explaining to visitors that the forums are not intended to offer diagnoses, and visitors really must see their physicians for specific information. Do you have fears that visitors may not take these warnings seriously enough, that they'll use sites like yours to make self-diagnoses?



Thompson: I hope there has been enough news coverage worldwide about that very issue, cautioning everyone about anything on the Internet, not just medical information, but any kind of information. So we hope that people are aware that it's for educational purposes or support purposes. It is certainly not a place you can get a diagnosis, and anyone who claims to offer a diagnosis is not dealing with the public squarely.







by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Who gives a Damn
Next frank will be telling us that the mark is caused from AIDS,due to HIV,specifically,How do you spell it frank "KARPOGSKUY CARCIDIOMOA",sorry maybe need another 23 years helping Drug Addicts.

by Frank Lee, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
Spook,



My tone was unfortunate. I was mad. I still am.



In the US approximately 1.2 million hospital admissions are for problems related to alcohol abuse a significant % of these patients develop delirium tremens (DT).  Mortality rates from pure, full-blown alcohol withdrawal and DT historically have been as high as 20%. In the past 30 years, however, increased recognition and improved treatments have reduced mortality from DT to approximately 1%. Many patients who experience alcohol withdrawal have additional medical or traumatic conditions that may increase associated morbidity and mortality (your inept attempt to discuss an AIDS related skin disease is one of these conditions and alone should have alerted one to get the guy into care). This may be less than 500 a year (in the US, Mate, who knows what it is world wide).



Perhaps your solipsistic self-absorptions obviate compassion for the relative few who won’t live to read your sensitive little witticisms. You are a young man – have you ever pulled one of these fellows off the street and got them into an ER, with barely a pulse and puke an urine covering their bodies? Fact is it was bad advice and either be a big enough man to admit or change your approach. Or go on ad neausem about your superb intellect which what’s most important here, isn’t it.



Flee

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Frank
As you well know free association is but one sign of a Psychosis,anyway you more than demonstrated yours here,and you tell me about "Esoteric",what do "YOU" know about Secret Socities(freemasons)?WELL,speak Up for your Society?.



Comment By: Frank Lee on Saturday, April 14, 2001







"Spook you are one stimulating shaman. My bowels are moved by your posts. Eat speed and read the DISM? The irony here is that the DISM and med protocol models are ripe for your sort of crticism. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.



The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.



I vow to post only when stoned.



FLee"

I actually like you,you may hate me,but you have something?.  

by spook, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Frank Lee
Frank your last post confirmed you are superior to me,in ability to actually HELP people in need and I am willing to change and learn from you,I now respect you very much,I hope you can forgive me for my above posts and I now understand your anger with my original post/s,in this thread and (not in this thread),I new 1% was around right,but I should not play Russian Roulette with somebodies life even with a 100 shooter.Even if they would(do not) not know their head from a barn door.

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Spook
Ethanol abuse should be taken very seriously.  Frank is right on the money here and I'm glad to see that you understand his point.

The sad thing is that people on alcohol are capable of anything, including dropping dead.  I've seen it happen first hand and it's not pretty. Have a wonderful day, mate!  J.B.

by Frank Lee, Apr 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Spook and JB
I take Spook's last post at face value and I appreciate the general tone here - good and caring advice.



Thanks,



Flee