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Mental Illness or Alcoholism

by Toad, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
My brother-in-law is a raging alcoholic.  The entire family realizes this and so does he.  However, he has been in detox and AA 4 different times with no success.  His family has a history of mental illness and I am wondering if the alcoholism could be a symptom of a mental disease instead of the alcoholism being the main problem.  We are trying to help him beat the drinking but are thinking that he may need mental help first and then work on the drinking second.



He has no money or insurance and can not afford treatment.  Are there mental resources in Iowa that could help him?  Thank you for your help as we are lost on what to do now.
Member Comments (27)

by IrishRose, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: toad
Hi Toad,



by IrishRose, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: toad
hi toad,



    Sorry about that, this damn keyboard! I too am originally from Iowa, an alcoholic myself with lots of mentally ill folks in my life! First of all is your family member a veteran? If so the VA offers low cost or no cost mental health and substance abuse treatment. Although I'm sure if he is he has no doubt already checked out those resources. The VA's in Iowa are in Des Moines, Knoxville and Iowa City. Don't know what part of Iowa he is in but most counties and cities have community outreach services of some sort that provide referral and information. I got on the web to try to find some Iowa stuff for you and Iowa Dept of Human Services has kind of a crappy website but if you are patient enough to wade through all their stuff it looked like there was some referral type infor. Also, Iowa State University Extension Service had a mental health referral by town or county, www.exnet.iastate.edu., also kind of a awkward website but some referral services there too. Just try putting mental health + Iowa on your on search engine, you may find some interesting stuff. I grew up in Northwestern Iowa, and there was a lot of stuff over there, a council on alcoholism, a mental health referral center, and a county community action agency as well that all had referral information. I will keep my eyes open for more and if I find out will post to you. Take care.

by GingerLee, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
Alas, I do wonder if there is such a thing as the incurable addict.  Can an additional mental illness make permanant the hell of addiction?  There are people out there who do die from it because they can't stop no matter what.  I have often wondered if I am one of those people...........I wonder.......

by cindi, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: TOAD
HI,  welcome to the forum....alcoholism and addiction (same disease) are a symptom of an underlying problem,,,,take the responses from Irish and run with it.......she knows what she is talking about,,,,,good luck   love to all    cin

by jule1, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: CINDI - VERY IMPORTANT
Cindi, have someone run to the drugstore and get you some Azo standard for your bladder infection it really helps with the pain and the urge to go all the time.  There are a few different brands of the same type of medicine and it is all otc.  Uristat has one too.  It really helps but it turns your pee orange.  Small price to pay for relief.  Feel better!

by cindi, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: JBear and a note for JB
Thanks a bunch   never knew that was over the counter,,,i can have doug do that tomorrow but my nieghbor who lives with infections gave me her pyridium   numbs you so it doesn't hurt and some antibiotics......man  I haven't had one of these in years....but the pyridium does make your pee orange..like glow in the dark orange....thanks tons  and BTW  How are you doing?  Jb:   How are you feeling  you seem to be doing much better   I'm happy for you      love to all      cin

by Kerrie, Aug 25, 2001 12:00AM
To: Cindi
Hi Cindi. I just wanted to let you know I'm here for you. I had horrid pain untill they removed my bladder. So I can sympathize with you. Your in my prayers hon. I know your under a lot of stress. I too am looking forward to a trip to Florida. If at all possible my husband and I are going to my family reunion next week in Lakeland. Money isn't really here to go on but I need to get away so bad.Between doctors and tests and kids, this 44 year old grandma of nine is about to blow a fuse. So I told my husband if he valued his life,he needed to get me out of this for a few days. My biggest concern is leaving my 5 year old grandson I'm keeping now. He doesn't understand anything that is going on. Just that he wants to live with me and doesn't want me to go anywhere without him. That would be defeating the purpose of the trip if I have to take him with me. but I have to make sure he'll know I'm not leaving him. I'll shut up now. I didn't mean to unload on you with all you've got going. hang in there girlfriend. As always , your in my prayers.

     Kerrie

by jennyfla, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
Hi all,

Nothing really to share, only this mess isn't getting any better.

Husband seems to be in major denial, me, i'm still battling all the madness around me!

I'm just getting more and more exhausted trying to keep up with everyone's demands!

Things are definately NOT going well!  No easy answers, see only pain!

It's late and i'm just beyond exhausted!  Kids are healthy thank god.  I miss the husband i saw in rehab, he seems to be gone again!

My parents are coming for a visit in a week, going to disney with the kids.  Should be fun, but hope it doesn't cause problems with my husband being the way he is lately!  Don't need to stress them out. Parents get stressed, it stresses me to the max!

Life has definately been better!

Prayers and (((HUGS))) for everyone!

Lv Jenny

by ?passive_aggressive!, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
To: skipper
.....i found an AN...(AA)....BUT!?

-reg. numba

-talkinn sh.t,talkinn crazy..(grow up,immature,blah,blah,co.k s..k)

-they need to "INFORM" family?(stupid $#@!)



.....SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO.....now..!?



...livinn in a "slow zone"...apathy...im a child of a former EON?

...deeply undaground..readinn bookz,takinn dope,tryin` to resolve

global karma...alwayz under suspecction of a lower form of existence.....concrete environment...need nature..MAYDAY.MAYDAY!?



skipper my friend i`ve told u ev.thing `bout me that u should know.......what do u think i should do...please.....I cant go

to hospital at once....(if doctaz can help them selfs,how can

they help me?)



?P_A!

by niccee, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
To: Toad
I know in this state you can get free health care including mental health at certain clinics. Irish is right contact Human Services. One of the doctors here has made a killing with this. You pay ten dollars for all services. It is not a run down place either. It is the same clinic that everyone with insurance goes to. Also, the college here in down offers mental health services based on your ability to pay. I have used this and they are really good. I could not tell the difference in them and the one I paid $150.00 an hour for. I think you are on the right track. Good luck.

by cindi, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
To: Kerrie
GO Granny! go granny !go granny go!!!!!!  get away  run fast   a gramma of how many at what age?   LOL  I am 41 with 2 kids 7 and 3 and I am pulling my hair out....when i move you can come with me.......love you   cindi                 PS  UMMMMM  if anyone sees spook around send my love

by jule1, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
To: Cindi, WW, Jenny, PA
Passive,  I really wish I knew what you are talking about so I could help you.  i know you have an Ultram addiction as I do.  If there is anything I can do to help please try to communicate. SKIPPER - How are you doing with understanding this all?

WW, Jenny and Cindi Just a big hug to you all today  Here goes (((((((HUG)))))). Wish I had a good joke for you all but I never remember them.  Oh well Hope you are all ok.

by jule1, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
To: Sadgirl and Everyone
Are you still with us?  Just want you to know I am thinking of you.  I am so scared I have promised myself I am going to call an addiction specialist tomorrow and it scares the hell out of me.  I know getting completely off the Ultram is going to be the hardest thing I have ever had to do because I know I have to look deep into my soul and see what I am covering up.  Anyway we all have our hard times so lets keep our chins up.  It helps me to help others so please if I can help please ask this goes for anyone on this forum.  Love to all you kind souls!  Jules

by Witchywoman, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: Toad
Hi Toad,

As a Psychiatric Social Worker, I can comment on this. It sounds that he falls into the "Dual Diagnosis" category..having both alcoholism and some other diagnosible mental illness? What are the mental illness symptoms in addition to the alcoholism? Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Anxiety Disorders and many other problems often go hand in hand with substance abuse. The current Psychiatric school of thought is to treat both problems at once, though most Psychiatrists will require that a person stops using the alcohol before prescribing a medication to help. Look into your County Mental Health center. In most states, if not all, County Mental Health centers are funded to treat people who do not have insurance, and most have dual diagnosis programs that consist of groups, individual counseling, medication management and sometimes inpatient treatment if needed.



The problem is that until someone is clean from the drugs or alcohol for a while, it is hard to tell if there is really also an addition mental illness, since the effects of alcoholism mimic the symptoms of other disorders as well.



Good luck in the search for help...my heart goes out to all of you in this situation. I grew up with a raging alcoholic mother, and I know how devastating it can be to see someone you love suffering so badly.



WW

by skipper, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: ?Passive_Aggressive!
?P_A!

don't know how to help you. What can i (or other members of this

forum) do to help you?

if you can not get help for your drug problem where you are now,

can you leave and go somewhere else in europe where they have more enlightened attitudes about drugs