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Is depression an effect of 'loritab withdraw'?

by lkayk, Aug 26, 2001 12:00AM
I recently stopped taking Loritab 10 -- they were freely prescribed to me for back pain.  Out of concern for my family and myself, I quit taking them -- pretty much "cold turkey."  I felt pretty sure that I was through the rough withdraw period, but now I find myself very depressed.  After taking the meds for 9 months +, I noticed that instead of causing drowsiness, they gave me energy to get through the day.  Is depression a "normal" effect of getting off the meds?



Any info you have would be great.  Thanks.
Member Comments (76)

by Kerrie, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: Ikayk
Hi, I can't give you first hand information like so many good people here can. But my daughter quit cold turkey and was taking much more than you. She suffered severe depression and was so very tired. Headaches,diahrea,and much more. The people here can explain just what you need to know. I just want to encourage you to come here and talk. This is a caring family here. They understand and will help you through it all. You will be glad you quit when the rough part is over. There's many testimonies here to that. So feel free to speak how you feel here and you will be offered good advice and a shown a lot of concern.

   God Bless you and welcome,

           Kerrie

by Witchywoman, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: My Forum Family
Hi all!

First...let me make a comment on your question about depression after hydrocodone withdrawal. Unfortunately yes, it is normal. I think that the hydrocodone messes with seratonin and dopamine production, and it can take your brain chemistry a while to get back to normal. How long ago did you stop taking the meds?

The other possibility is that you may have had an underlying depression that the meds were masking.  You could speak with a Doctor and therapist about ways to help the depression..they'd likely suggest excercise, good nutrition, counseling, and possibly antidepressant medication.



Next..I have very good news. I am clean!!!!!

Yay!!!! Yippeee!!!!! I did it!!!

I can't believe I actually got through it, and I know that I could not have done it without the support of this forum and all you caring people.

At the wedding I was at this weekend, I was in so much pain..the car ride and all the standing flared me really badly..but I still choose to not take the meds, and I am so glad I did.



I still have a few withdrawal signs left, but not many. A bit of a tummy ache, very very low energy, and I'll find out tonight if the nightime restlessness is still there or not.



I know that now begins the real hard part, staying clean. That will be very hard, especially since I do really have bad back pain still. But, at this point the pain is lower than it used to be, and I'm willing to tolerate it to be free of the pill runing my life. I could babble on and on about how amazed I am that I was able to get through withdrawal. Honestly...the prospect of withdrawals scared the living (insert expletive here) out of me. So I just want anyone who is thinking about doing it, and reading this, to know that it is hard, but doable. The way I did it was this...I was taking aboaut 12 to 15 7.5 vicoprofens a day.

Day one of the taper I cut down to 7. Day 2 I cut down to 3. Then for the next two days I took only one at night, then two nights of half a pill, then nothing. I did use valium, and elavil to help, and I used Thomas and Pillpoppa's supplement recipies. The thing that I think helped the most was the acupunture. It REALLY worked to lower the withdrawals fast. I also used visual imagery of my own endorphins waking up and dancing around happily...silly stuff helps.



I hope that my energy returns soon. I feel so incredibly depleted right now.



Thank you all..from the depths of my soul, for being there. I will continue to need your help to stay clean, and to offer all I can to you all as well.



lots of love,

WW

by to doc dan from joe, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
Sorry to bust in on the thread but I was trying Thomas's formula(for depleted brain chemicals) and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on using 5-hydroxy trytophan (5-HT, a serotonin precursor) to help build up serotonin levels to help with all the depression. Thomas's recipe seems to be helping me eventhough I started only using it yesterday.  I constantly felt like I was holding back tears for no good reason, I didn't want to get out of bed in the morning anymore.  I'm starting to feel like my old (chipper)self again.

by Kristen, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: lkayk and WW
Yayyyy, I'm so happy for you.....your DONE!!!!  Keep up the good work....It's been 21 days for me and I NO longer am relying on those damn pills to get through the day....Stay strong WW, you can do this.....



Ikayk....depression is MOST definately the next symptom you will go through....but in a few days that cloud will be lifted and you will see things much clearer.  I am still going through some depression and not wanting to do anything....dont feel motivated, etc. butI guess if your using pills for 9 months straight ( have been using for 10 years off and on) you have to figure its going to take a little time to get your body back to normal.....but taking those pills again will just set you back and you'll have to go through those damn withdrawals ALLLLLL over again....YUK..the worst!!!  Hang tight, and we're all here behind our computer screens.....everyone here has been wonderful and definately helped me through this mess....  :)

by jennyfla, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: WW
Wow girl, i am so very very proud of you!

For everyone that accomplishes getting 'clean' it gives me more hope that i can do this!

Keep strong, you are going to get happier and happier and stronger and stronger with each passing day!

Lv Jenny

by jennyfla, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: ALL
I'm getting so tired of living like this.

My husband is using, but not addicted yet (as far as i can tell).  I keep telling him that he doesn't want to go back to this hell.  He absoluately HATES his new job, and is looking for anything to help get him through it.  I tell him to leave the job then, it's not worth it.  Find something else, continue collecting unemployment, anything except getting addicted again!

I need to get my addiction past me... all i want to do is 'live' again!  

I feel so lost inside my own head that is shut down right now.  I feel like my brain has been taken over by the pills, it's shutdown and closed to all my real emotions that i used to be able to feel.

I miss myself so much, and i see my kids getting older and older, and i wonder how much of that i am missing too!

I remember when i could have it all, still feel, and take the drugs recreationally.  Then, one day, it all caught up with me, and i was an addict.  I could no longer be without the medication, it owned me!

How the hell did i ever get myself into this mess!!!!

:(

Lv Jenny

by lkayk, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
Thank you ALL so much for the encouragement....I will continue to come here for support and advice.  This has truly been a very difficult time for me, and I thought that getting off the pills would help, but I seem to be sinking deeper into depression as the days pass on.  I have been "clean" now for about 2 weeks, so how long is this supposed to last?  I have been taking elavil for about 2 years now, for migrane prevention, and about a year ago, I began taking prozac to help combat depression, due to the chronic pain and the disruption it was causing my life.  Can or should I start taking the zinc/magnesium, L-tyrosine and vitamin B supplements?  I am ready and willing to try anything to get my life back!  I have absolutely NO energy -- I have to make myself get up and do the simplest tasks.  I have a wonderful, supportive husband, and 2 very sweet and helpful daughters.  I just HAVE to get my life back -- I refuse to let this mess get the best of me!!!!  



And congrats WW, for surviving and conquering your addiction!  I think we all know that we are MUCH better off without the meds -- its just so damn easy to open up the bottle and pop a pill.  I think this battle, we all face, will only make us stronger and wiser!  I have always believed that "everything happens for a reason," but sometimes "the reason" takes a while to reveal itself.  May God RICHLY BLESS each of you today. lkayk

by Witchywoman, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: Ilkayak and all
It would probably be a good idea to try the supplements that you've heard about here. Be very careful with the zinc though. Someone on this forum was not sure about the dosage and got very very sick taking too many. Stick to under 100mgs of zinc a day and you should be safe. It is better to also ask your doctor about the supplements, to be sure. I told mine what they are and he said they were fine for me to take.



The L-Tyrosine will help your brain be able to produce its own endorphins again, and that will help with the depression. So will aerobic excercise. So will Acupuncture.  I've not heard about the supplement someone else wrote about that is a seratonin precursor, but I'll look into it. It sounds interesting.



I have a question...how long does the sleeplessness last? I didn't get the restlessness last night, but it was still very hard to get a deep sleep. I only got 4 hours.

I"m still stunned that I got through this part of it. I wasn't sure that I could do it.



Jenny, I'm so sorry things are going badly for you..I can sense the despair in your writing. Please know that we are all here for you, supporting you and caring. I felt that I had lost myself as well, and I know it is possible to get yourself back.



love,

WW





WW

by GJ, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: joec, WW, kristen, jenny, ikayk
Hey!



joec: 5-HTP is an EXCELLENT supplement to take in order to stabilize one's mood. It's also a very effective sleep aid! If you have the means to get it (it is a bit pricey), I highly recommend it.



Kristen: hope you can hammer the point home with the bf about the guilt he's layin on you. We males can be such royal anus's!



WW: I extend a wholehearted "congrats to YOU" for conquering your addiction and staying strong! Although you say the REAL work begins now, you've gotten the haze cleared enough to be able to actually DO the work right? Just takes a bold first step ;-)



Jenny: I guess the hub's job didn't light the fire? Well, my advice remains - try to focus on YOU if you can! But I know it's oh-so-hard under your circumstances so what can I say? Trust in yourself and the prospect of something better awaiting you...it DOES happen, just don't lose hope ok!!!



ikayk: depression is common in ANY withdrawal, but I have heard that Hydrocodone WD can have a "lingering" effect with the mood-aspect, where it may take up to a few MONTHS to fully recovery MENTALLY. Best to check with an MD if it gets any worse ;-). Also, try and eat somewhat healthy! Try Thomas' B6 recipe, and take a good multivitamin.



-G

by Kristen, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
I am having SOOO much trouble fighting this demon in myself....I looked through the whole medicine cabinet today, cleaned out my closet in the hopes I would find just "one" pill....but NO luck....God must be telling me something....but I am having a terrible time focusing on things I need to do, dont feel happy, feel like life is bleek, boring, just BLA!!!!  I upped my zoloft about a week ago, but dont notice much of a difference.  I dont think I've ever been off of Lortab's for this long in 5 years, so maybe its just going to take more time....I'm feeling guilty because I'm not taking care of business or being the perfect person....Maybe its just the high expectations that the BF is wanting is pressuring me....If I take 1/2 a zanax will this eliminate some of this anxiety I'm feeling....I dont want to knock myself out and these do this to me sometimes...but I want to feel NORMAL!!!!  HELP SOMEONE!!!!!!!!  Thanks for being here everyone, love Kristen

by lkayk, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: Kristen
Hey--just hang in there--go for a brisk walk--take a long, hot shower--stay busy, if you can at all.  I found walks and showers to work best for me, but I am sure that everyone has their own way to fight off the demon.  I also find prayer and reading scriptures very helpful.  Please know that you are not alone and that you WILL beat this!  Here are just a few scriptures/prayers that I have meditated on:



Exodus 14:13,14---Do not be afraid.  Stand firm and you will see the deliverance the Lord will bring you today......The Lord will fight for you; you need only to be still.



Exodus 15:11---Who among the gods is like you, O Lord?  Who is like you--majestic in holiness, awesome in glory, working wonders?



I also find this prayer to be most comforting:



Father, I ask You to bless me today.  I am asking You to minister to my spirit at this very moment.  Where there is pain, give me Your peace and mercy.  Where there is self doubting, release a renewed confidence in Your ability to work through me.  Where there is tiredness, or exhaustion, I ask You to give me understanding, patience, and strength as I learn submission to Your leading.  Where there is spiritual stagnation, I ask You to renew me by revealing Your nearness, and by drawing me into greater imtimacy with You.  Where there is fear, reveal Your love, and release to me Your courage.  Where there is sin blocking me, reveal it, and break its hold over my life.  Bless my finances, give me a greater vision, and raise up leaders and friends to support and encourage me.  Give me discernment to recognize the evil forces around me, and reveal to me the power I have in You to defeat it.  I ask You to to all these things in Jesus' name.  Amen



I hope this helps! lkayk

by pinky to rebecca, Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
today my boyfriend is loading up on valium, etc - going to do the at-home screw-the effing system detox this week.

i will let everyone know the results.

praise to WW!!!! that's so great.  :) c

by A.S., Aug 27, 2001 12:00AM
To: kristen
Hey Kristen... I know what youre going through. Today is my fourth week anniversery being clean. These days will come and go. You hang in there strong one. When this passes and you beat it, it will just make you stronger. I went through it yestarday and beat that mean ole dragon again. Today I fell better for doing it. This is the mean part of the whole thing. You stay srong and healthy. Im in this with you too. A.S.

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