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Maintaining Sobriety

by Danielincc, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
Dr. Steve                                                     What is the best way to beat this disease of a addicition and stay clean and sober?  Can you give us some basic points to follow.

                                         Thanks in advance,

                                              Daniel                                                                                                                                                Readers,                                                         You all have a problem with me calling Tom (this is what he went by when I came here as "doc Dan" months ago) on various inconsistencies in his treatment plan or lack of one. This my friends is the guy is a "piece of work." His failures or lack of real work on his addicition is what disturbs me. His continual glorification of his drug abuse. This guy is not about ways to stay clean and sober, but his efforts are about ways to keep this disease active by methods of reducing withdrawal symptoms and ways to remove acetaminophen from vicodin to make it less harmful to your vital organs. This guy is about one failure after another. I am over my limit of words. But I am open for discussion. Thanx                                                                                                                            I counsel multiple felony drug offenders. And work with state probation and parole criminal justice departments. These guys see the error of their ways  and use every opportunity to utilise relapse prevention techniques. Lets Discuss this friends. Thanks DAn..
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by Danielincc, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
I am about trying to help people learn ways to put this disease in remmission. I understand that are some people here that try as hard as they possibly can to stay clean and sober. I think these participants should be aplauded. Withdrawal should be used as a tool to help you stay clean and sober. We should try to stay clean by genuinely working to achieve this.                                                                                        The first thing I did my friends was remove the problem. That was to remove my source of hydrocodone and short acting opiates(hydro,codeine,oxycodone,etc.). I had pain issues. These issues were resolved by incorporating a long acting opiate into my treatment. Short acting opiates are what causes all the problems with your receptors. When I starting using opiate agonist treatments to resolve my pain and addicition problems I started getting better almost immediately. I finished my education and got a decent job. I no longer had to deal with shady elements or methods of obtaining medicine. Go to any length to do the right thing. Do not let your addiction dictate to you that your monkey needs feeding. Get a hold of your free will that your higher power gave you. I am not trying to hurt anyone here. I just feel it's necessary to try and open some closed eyes and ears here at this forum.

Maliciousness that was directed to me, by various readers does not bother me. I only speak to people who are not trying to beat this disease.>> People who continually feeding their disease by blatant drug abuse. Again, I applaud the people who are working a program. My best of luck to you! You cannot beat any addiction by half - hearted attempts at sobriety. We must utilise sober contacts,a good sponser and as many AA/NA meetings as it takes to maintain sobriety. Not sitting behind a computer screen for your support. This type of support is good, but it should be last on your list.                                                          Tom, what happened to your program? Are you still attempting to get clean and sober. I want only good things to happen with you friend. I know your attempts @ MMT failed for what ever reason. Have you just given up @ your attempts of sobriety? Do not give up. What happened with your attempts at getting buprenorphine?  I do not mean to offend anyone! Work a solid program! Be Spiritual!(treat others like you want to be treated)

Best of Luck to ALL..

Daniel...

by Danielincc, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
Quick Comment! Maintaining Sobriety>> I did not mean for the comment under>> for dr. Steve to get printed. I was venting my frustrations from reading peoples comments or responses to the "disease of addiction thread." I only wanted to start a discussion on maint. sobriety.  I have strong feelings about certain issues. Not working on a solid program is one of them. The guys and girls I work with want their sobriety, and they work very hard for it. WHen I see half hearted attempts, it's  very disturbing simply put! I apoligise to Tom! But I still think he is quilty of not working a solid recovery plan. If I am wrong, well excuuusse me!

Daniel.

by jule1, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Daniel
Daniel - I truly do not understand why you are here.  You seem to believe that this forum can't help cure our addictions you do not agree with any of us on what we need to get better you insist that your way is the right way.  I really do not think you are being honest with us about why you are here.  If you think you are here to help people well I am sorry but your way dosen't seem to be what people here want.  You have offered your help and if someone wants to do it your way they know who to talk to so why can't you leave it at that.  If you need help we would all help you I am sure.

by J.B. to Brian and Vicky, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Forum
I got back from Mexico early this morning, took a nap and now am at the screen again.  I always figured DanielCC and Doc Dan were one and the same by the way the posts sounded.  I have sensed a lot of frustration, envy, anger and resentment(FEAR for short) in his posts.



Dan, why have you always singled out Thomas in your critiques here?  You must consider him redoubtable and worthy of your "help".  Why not just stick to your own program and become the epitomy of sobriety before working our programs for us?  I could go on but won't.  I'm in too good a mood right now.  J.B.

by Frank Lee, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Daniel
I apologize to the board before hand, because the stench from this guy angers me so. I won't stoop to the level of answering his posts again, but I have to get this out of my system.



It's your way or the highway ain't it. The belief you espouse that only through meetings and higher powers can we poor deluded drug abusers obtain sobriety is the reason this board exists - because it doesn't work for us all pardner. Some of us need to communicate with others in writing; some of us aren't through working through our addictions and most of us are honest. If that means we admit liking drugs and not always avoiding them then so be it. Deal with that.



Come after me Daniel, read my posts if you want to find a hypocrite who can't come clean. But spare me your self-serving phony **** about caring for folks on this board - man you don't even understand the level of support on this board. And, you got discovered so you come clean and think you have any credibility? How dare you question the motives of people who have sincerely helped others? If you were in the business of really caring you’d realize that there might not be only one answer to the problems we try to deal with here.



Folks, my suggestion is to ignore this guy, maybe he'll go back in his cave now that he's been smoked out. Probably not, but you are a phony Danny boy, a self-righteous, solipsistic cretin.



Frank

by jule1, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: JB, Frank, Everyone
Ihave to apologize to you all. I probally would have been upset if I were you all and read my post.  Daniel is not worth us getting angry over but when I read his post I found myself becoming so angry because this forum was my godsend.  I shouldn't have even bothered to reply he is useless and not worth my time but you all are therefore this apology.  Hugs, Jules

by katie r, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: I can't think of a better thread to hijack
Since most of us don't give a rat's ass about what doc dan, danielcc....whatever...I have chosen to hijack this thread. If this irritates you,Dan...then so be it. God knows you've irritated us enough.

JB!!! Are you the one with the celluitis? I had a problem with it about a year ago....long story made short....it started in my lower legs, moved up my body till it got into my lungs and I ended up in the hospital. My legs were beet red and swollen huge and hurt! I have rheumatoid arthritis also...but my rheumatolagist said the redness and swelling had nothing to do with my arthritis. My family dr put me on lasix, and dicloxacill. This all started in oct of 2000, i ended up in the hosp in march 2001. My legs stayed red and swollen all that time. Finally abut a month after I got out of the hospital...around April..it went away! It's stayed away all this time till about a week ago...then boom. Got up one day and my legs were sore, red, swollen and hot to the touch. I took my temp...it was 102. So I went in the dr. and I'm back on lasix and dicloxacill. My question to you...if you're the one that has this problem also is.......what causes this to happen? And how does your dr.treat it? Any help you can give me, would be so very much appreciated!

by katie r, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: danielcc..a question for you
When I feel sad and hopeless at night..I come to this forum and read the posts. All of them, over and over. When I get to ones that Thomas wrote,I find myself smiling,laughing and most times in a much better mood. When I get to your posts I feel anger, resentment and downright disgust. I have also noticed that seems to be same reaction the others in the forum have. Thomas makes us smile....you irritate the **** out of us. So my question to you is....why do you keep coming here? Don't give me some long detailed answer about how I'm diseased and in denial, blah blah blah.....just tell me...why do you come here? You've made it clear that you think we're a bunch of losers.....we've made it clear that we think you're a pompous ass.

There are other addiction forums on the internet....maybe someone in one of them could use your advice (God, have mercy on their soul) but I don't think anyone here wants your advice.

Looking forward to your answer Danny Boy...why do you keep coming here?

by skipper, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
i guess i did something wicked to deserve all this...

first we have an obnoxious adolesent who decided to use a nick-name

of Hunter S Thompson's for his handle and now yet another posting

from eveyone's favorite rectum, danny-boy! danny-boy you have all

the charm of a slightly damp beer fart on a hot and humid morning

in the summertime!

by katie r, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Milo!
I was doing some internet browsing and came across this site that lists several diseases and healh problems. I noticed they had some good reading on IBS. I know you've probably read almost everything about it but thought this might have some info for you.

Here it is

http://www.healthcyclopedia.com/index.html



How have you been feeling?

by kstuebin, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
He's back!!  But he reminded me of a question I had re pain killers. Although, I'm primarily a benzo abuser, I have been known to take the occasional narcotic and I wonder what does happen when all that tylenol hits your liver.  I mean some of these pain meds have 500 mg., so if you take just 4 that's 2000 mg!!! Gotta be some toxicity there. So this question is for those of you using large doses of pain meds (usually for medicinal purposes, Danny Boy!):  Do you get liver damage? And I agree they should remove the acetaminophen and replace it with aspirin or ibuprofen. I won't even take over the counter acetaminophen.  If I need an OTC pain killer, it's aspirin or Motrin.

by Beth, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Dan
face="arial" color="navy">Dan, first of all, stop calling me your "friend" because I assure you I am not. You are the lamest excuse for a "counselor" I have ever seen. Your ceaseless tirade of causing disstention and anger among this tightknit group is unnacceptable. So what if Thomas is actually honest about the fact that he likes using? NEWSFLASH dumbass, we all do, which is how we all became addicts in the first place. Now some people here are in the most vulnerable state of realizing and trying to address the problem. I myself and clean and strong and have NO illusions about freakshows like yourself who are blatantly and obviously jealous of Thomas' ability to help us. We listen to Thomas because he says the things most of us are scared to, and cares enough to endlessly pursue ways to help us get clean.



I don't know if your own addiction is so bad that you have to justify it be trying to "help" others or if you really are a gutless, tactless moron, but take your "advice", insert it in a syringe, and stick it. We do not have room for trolls like you on this board. Someone who actually needed support and guidance was chated out of hs chance to post his question because of your ignorance and willful animosity.



I am more than proud to say that...



Thomas was my istigator for becoming clean! God bless him!



We Love Thomas!!!





Shea, Jenny- thanks for your sweet comments on my picture! WW, Jbear, Cindi, everyone...y'all hang tight! People like Dan never win and people like us who finish the race (no matter how long it takes) always do.



by Durty, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Dan
Please go away. I'm not sure if you think you are helping or exactly what your motivation is, but it doesn't have any purpose here.  I read these posts, like many "ghost readers" for motivation and help.  Yours do the complete opposite.

No need to reply to this, as I (like most) now ignore anything you post.

by katie r, Oct 21, 2001 12:00AM
To: Beth!
You go girl! I agree with everything you said! I'm not clean yet....but Thomas has helped me realize that there are people out there who are having one hell of a time getting clean and I'm not alone. I used to think I was just weak.....thanks to Thomas I now realize that there are other people just like me struggling with this addiction. I've always felt so alone until I found this forum. Reading the success stories helps and reading the stories from people that are still using also helps....I know I'm not alone. Thomas has never made a secret of his love of hydrcodone and I'm not making a secret of mine.

But like you said.....that love is what brought all of us here to this forum, that love is how I came across some of the greatest friends I've ever had.

Beth....congrats on getting clean!