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by mrmichael67, Jun 29, 2002 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
I can't believe I actually have the opportunity to ask a question and I can't think of something to ask.  So, following in GWH's tradition, I will declare this an open thread.  I do have one question now that I think of it.  Has anyone who has chronic pain and been prescribed the Duragesic patch been able to take it every two days instead of three.  I know it is usually prescribed every three days, but it usually wears off after two.  I was just wondering if anyone's doctor has actually prescribed it for every two days.  If you can help, I thank you.  I am thinking of having my meds changed.  And, if you have a question, feel free to break into this thread.  I won't mind a bit.
Member Comments (79)

by Hinkster, Jun 29, 2002 12:00AM
I've got a question. Does anyone know what the comparison of

methadone is to other opiates in strength. I looked on that chart someone posted and could not figure it out from what they

listed. I'am still converting from codones to methadone and can

not figure out the strength values. I'am taking 30mg roxicodones

3pills four times a day. Thats 360mgs a day. What amount of

methadone should I take to equal that. I take 20mg of methadone

in three doses now and that seems way to low. I know once I have

to get off the methadone I'am dead but we figure (The Dr.s andI)

that I will be on it for life so the wd's shouln'd matter right

now. I'am just looking for equal doses. Any help? Thanks Tom

by Hinkster, Jun 29, 2002 12:00AM
To: Timg14
You answered my question in the previous thread. I didn't see it.

Thanks

Tom

by Hinkster, Jun 29, 2002 12:00AM
To: Timg14
You answered my question in the previous thread. I didn't see it.

Thanks

Tom

by mrmichael67, Jun 29, 2002 12:00AM
To: Hinskter
You are looking at about 120mg of methadone to be somewhere in the ballpark.  The conversion isn't exact, though.  You should start a little lower and titrate upwards until the desired effect happens.  Everyone is different.  And, when converting from one opiate to another, the amount of the new opiate that you would need is often less than the equivalent amount that is suggested.

by Willowman, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
Need some good advise from those that have been there.



I currently take a large amount of pills every day for many different medical conditions. The one that concerns me and has for many years is the Hydrocodone. I have been on and off of this drug for about 20 years, but the last five has been really bad. Arthritis is taking over by body and I really need some form of pain killer.  I have taken all the wonder drugs and still take the usaul anti-inflamatories but they dont do the trick. On top of the Arthrits (Reiters Syndrome)I also have Poly-Myalgia Arthritica and a couple of bolts in by back with constant pain in the lower back.



My Hydrocodone use has went to about 340 7.5's per month, and I could take more if I had them. I need to get rid of these but see no way out. I would like to cut down but have had no sucess. The doctor would like me to stop taking them all together, but I need to move around and without them it gets imposible. I am tired of being treated like a Druggie when I get my medications, I know I dont need as many as I am getting but cant seem to find anyway to taper down.  I go through withdrawls every now and them if I take too many and have to wait for my refill. They dont scare me anymore but they can sure be hard.



It seems when in withdrawl all the pains come back twice as bad as they used to be.



DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON CUTTING DOWN OR ALTERNATIVES TO THE HYDROCODONE. I considered the patch but it is a triplicate drug and too expensive.



by 1fortheroad, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: Willowman
hi there - i'm sorry to hear about the pain you have to suffer.  however, the amount of vics you are taking is, at some point, going to destroy your liver.  have you talked with your doc about alternatives?  what about the duresic (sp?) patch?  you just put one on and it delivers medication to you for about 3 days...they come in different strengths, and it would break the whole pill popping cycle for you.  talk with your dr.?  



i know what you mean about being looked at as a junkie.  when i first started complaining about the migraines i was getting, and i was sick and tired of taking a bunch of beta blockers and whatnot that didn't work, i asked for something stronger and my doc gave me the lecture.  opiates were prescribed to me, however, they were given out very sparingly.  never enough to help.  i really think that if my original doc hadn't been so paranoid, and he had really thought about my options for pain, i would have been given something that controlled them and i wouldn't be where i am right now.  can't go back right?  



i wish you luck.  if your dr. doesn't listen to you, i would suggest looking around for another one who will - not dr. hopping, just finding one who will do the right thing....if one exists out there.  stay in touch....

by roro, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: angst
Hello angst, I POSTED HIGHER SO THAT I CAN GET MORE COMMENTS.  i AM ON MY THIRD DAY OF COLD TURKEY WITHDRAWALS FROM 32 VICOPROPHEN A DAY....TODAY IS THE WORSTTTTT  CRAMPS WELL YOU KNOW PLEASE SOME INPUT HERE IS NEEDEDE.  GOODTHING IT IS SUNDAY AND THE DOC IS NOT IN I WOULD CALL

by marsmom, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
I've been reading this forum for over a month and I am so impressed with all the candid and 'real' life experiences.



My son has been using Oxy for over a year and we only recently found out what it was. We knew that he wasn't himself. He and his girlfriend have been in extreme fights that we thought were caused by alcohol abuse. It turns out she also was on OXY and the fights were always about money. Their relationship is trashed as far as I can tell. There is no 'love' just drug related conversation and interaction with our family is minimal.  They are inconsistent....on min. kind the next screaming vulgarities at each other.  There seems to be a codependency on both their parts.



He is 22 and lives at home and recently got a good job. He has incurred many bills and is trying to pay them off. When all this came out about the Oxy and how much he and his girlf. spent, we realized how addicted he was and why he couldn't keep up with his bills.  



Because of the excessive fighting, vulgarity and late hours, cooking everthing in sight, leaving food, dishes, utensils filthy when they come in and complete disregard for the rest of our family, who is usually sleeping. We have given him an ultimatum. He was to either go to a rehab or try to withdraw himself. He tried it himself and has failed. We are now giving him one day to 'decide' whether he wants to live here (free), stay away from girlf., and go to a rehab or leave our home. We have other children (a 14 yr. old, a 20 yr. old and a grandchild on the way.) His bills are enormous and he really has no money because of this addiction.



We have tried to help him out financially, but we are also tapped out.



In all your experience, have we given him the right choices? Watching our vibrant son nodding off is heartbreaking. We love him and want him with us, but not at the expense of our whole family disrupted on a daily basis.



It is really hard for me to use 'tough love'. We never know what or 'who' we will be dealing with from day to day.



Please help, you all are a blessing and this forum has informed me more than any doctor or rehab facility I've talked to.



Thank you.

by Sturgil, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: roro
I have been done this road before. I am about to back down it again. I admire you as I hope you will admore me on Thursday when I kick it. I take 12 to 18 10/500 plus 2 Somas each time. Try this: Hot baths, Ben Gay, Ensure Plus and read the book of James in the Bible. I a far from cleann but it is coming and he is preparing me for July 4th. Why July 4th? So I can take the days off to recover. Do alot of walking and praying. I will need you next week. Do not give in you are almost there. God Bless you and write if you need anything.





Sturgil

by roro, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: STURGIL
THANK YOU FOR POSTING...  I ONLY HOPE I CAN HELP YOU NEXT WEEK...  I AM GOING TO TAKE YOUR ADVICE AND THANKS AGAIN... YOUR INPUT HELPS REALLY IT DOES

by roro, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: MARSMOM
I AM A MOM AS WELL AND I WAS DIAG. WITH MIGRAINES AND ENDOMETRIOS AND HAVE BEEN PUT ON OVE 500 PILLS A MONTH THEY JUST KEPT GIVING THEM TO ME.  i AM USING THESE NEXT FEW DAYS TO STAY CLEAN BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU...  I KNOW YOU HAVE NO IDEA BUT THE WITHDRAWAL PAIN IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN GO THROUGH....  HELP HIM AND DONT GIVE HIM A CHOICE JUST GET HIM IN REHAB NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE....

by Hinkster, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: MrMichael
Thanks that was exactly what I was looking for.

Tom

by TMP, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: Marsmom
I have been down the Oxy road which started as a legitimate use for pain from pancreatitis and endometriosis. After 9 months on huge doses of Oxy, it was taking my life away. I asked for help,got admitted into rehab in Dec of 2000. I spent 10 days there. 5 in detox with one trip to the er for non stop vomiting and another 5 trying to work through the program so I could go home. I then spent another 90 days in outpatient rehab. Your son needs to be in rehab and after detoxing it will not stop there. It was six weeks before I could eat without throwing up. He is throwing away is life and he is so lucky to have a Mom who cares. It doesn't stop there though, I myself had a huge surgery in April and although my Doctor's tapered my pain meds, I just spent three days feeling like ****, freaking about what it was going to be like. Today is a good day, I hope you can get your son some help. By the way, I have been lurking at in this forum for over 2 years and feel as if I know you. thanks for all that you say and do.

by angst, Jun 30, 2002 12:00AM
To: roro
Hey, it is Ava, I worked the midnight shift last night so i'm late getting at the computer.  I also had intractable vascular headaches which tended to focus in my left temporal area and eye.

I've found 1/2 cup coffee and a couple of benadryl and a couple of ibuprofen works wonders.  I also consciously relax my trapezoid muscle. It is right were your neck extends to your head.  The topical agents work great too, like was said.  

I had endo for years, with three surgeries, the doctor wanted a biopsy.  I had a surgical total hyst at 36, which I am now.  I also am a mom.  I could only have one child.  

Hot baths, benadryl and ibuprofen with prayer will get you through today.  If it gets worse go to the ER.  They are used to treating addicts.  Initially, tell them you have a virus or migraine.  When the doc comes in, ask him if you could talk to him confidentially without the nurse.  Then tell him the truth.

Tell him you do not want drugs, but that you are in withdrawals.

He is likely to help you out with a cocktail of meds.  Take good care of the meds so they last you thoughout your detox.  Good luck and blessings, Ava