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physical withdrawl

by Chuck730, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
After years of pain medication for chronic pain I have had it with all the meds. Looking for alternative medicine. How can I relieve the physical symptoms of medication withdrawl?
Member Comments (80)

by jonesing247, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Chuck
Hey Chuck - depending on how severe your useage was, there are a number of things you can use. There is a natural recipie of herbal medicines and amino acids floating around the boards called Thomas' recipe. I think Tex3 might have it so if you ask her nicely shell post it :). Other things you can use for more severe circumstances may be methadone (in my opinion if you can avoid this then do so, as the kick is probably just as bad) or buprenex (which is what im using). It is an antagonist-antagonist that helps curb the w/d symptoms. Otherwise there are also benzos but ive heard of people having bad experiences with those. I have used Thomas' recipe and its really good so that might be your best bet. Im not a doctor, my insights are based on what ive learned from the fine folks here so please keep that in mind. Whatever you choose, good luck, and the most important ingredient to accomplish overcoming a bad withdrawl is a healthy mindset and a will to win. Take care, Mark.

by alexandra_r, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Chuck
Hi Chuck--Welcome to the Forum.  This is a great place to get support.  There's a lot of people here who have experienced or are currently experiencing your dilemma, including myself.  I also have a chronic pain back condition and am currently trying to stop using the opiates that I have used for the last 14 months to control the pain.  I have found this to be very difficult.  I know that the painkillers help relieve my pain, but I also don't like the feeling of withdrawal that comes as soon as they wear out.



I have been tapering off vicodin since July 1--I was down to only 2 per day, but after a week of non-stop back pain, I got my prescription refilled.  I am using 3 a day and will stay at this till I feel ready to go down further.  



I agree that the recipe is the way to go.  Here it is so you don't have to look it up again.

L-tyrosine 500 mg 8 times a day week 1 then 4 a day the following weeks

B-6 100 mg 2 times a day

Vitamins C--E--AND A

Calcium -magnesium

A strong multiple vitamin

Phosphorous

Copper

Manganese

Imodium for the runs

--------------------------------------------------------



Also suggested are bananas for leg spasms and restless leg

Gatorade for lost electrolytes due to the runs

And if you still have any depression after a week, some people recommend 5htp



How much pain medication do you take?  It's hell going through w/d and I just can't bring myself to go completely cold turkey (although I sometimes think that this is the smartest thing for me to do since I am at a low dose)



Good luck, come here often and keep posting.  I am fairly new to the forum but I have found that it has helped me a lot.

by GOD, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
I gotta' say that I'm having a real hard time of it... (staying clean) I HAVE been clean, but the dreams and thoughts are driving me crazy! I DO have legitimate pain issues with Neuropathic damage, but because the way my brain is wired, I CANNOT be on a reasonable pain regimine, because my tolerance for ANYTHING will go up tenfold in a matter of days. I saw in some other post someone talking about an OXycontin 80Mg. pill for $50.00! Geez, at that price, I'd have to spend thousands of dollars per day just to MAINTAIN... I have tried oxy before..(2 80's in less than 1 hour.) I crushed up the first one and snorted it up, and it was MILDLY pain-reducing at best, then I took the second one regularly. This was at a time that I was taking 30-50 Ultram per day, so I KNOW my tolerance is WAY up there. I KNOW I could do 600-1000 Miligrams in a day and not even be ****** up... While I was still drinking, I would down either a 1 liter bottle of vodka, or a 1.75 if I was in a "Bad mood", and then proceed with my night. I HATE the fact that I'm a ******-up, chemically-dependant PSYCHO... Yes, I'm usually normal, but when using, I am pure INDIFFERENT EVIL.



I'm just venting this, because I guess I want to make "Ammends" with anyone I've offended in the past. I doubt that I Pissed off anyone in HERE too much, but, nonetheless, I just need to air it.



I am sitting here at work, and in so much pain, that I'm almost seeing red. I just wish I could be a NORMAL, Legitimate pain patient, and get this fixed. But, I CANNOT! If they gave me a bottle of 10,000 OXYS, I know that I wouldn't be able to even make that much last for a month.... ****!! Whatever it is in life, if it's good, then GIVE ME MORE! That's the way it's always been. I guess the only thing keeping me from totally losing my head is that I'm trying to help my Aunt, who HAS legitimate pain, get the treatment she needs. Well. That and AA/NA keep me relatively sane. And I might mention that this board helps me more than I can say.



That's all for now! I hope that those of you who are still struggling with the PHYSICAL withdrawels are doing O.K. -- I know that when I was there, that the pain and suffering had me pushing needles into my arm (SEWING NEEDLES -- to distract me from the effects of withdrawl).....



Bye for now,

Jess

by trying, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
hello everyone:  It is almost time for me to leave work and I just want to tell everyone to have a good night.  Stay busy and think positive.  We will all make w/ each others help.  How do you guys feel about someone taking a valium to help them sleep?  That someone would be me.  I am still having a little trouble sleeping, so last night I tood a valium (it was green).  I don't know the strength.  Anyway,  I feel great today and much happier.  I feel so good about myself and I'm starting to think I can do this.  I've already gone through the physical, now I have to get over the mental.  I really love all of you.  I don't have anyone to talk to and this board saves me.  It's not that I don't have friend, because I have a lot, but because I haven't told anyone but my mother.  My father is going through some cancer **** right now so I don't want to bother her w/ my screw ups.  Yesterday when I was at a weak moment I almost gave in, but believe it or not, the thought of telling all of you that I slipped was reason enough not to do it.  I appreciate the support you all give me and will be there for everyone too. Talk to everyone tomorrow.

by GOD, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Trying
I admire how you're doing, and glad you're feeling good about yourself today. you DESERVE IT!! Yes, you and all the great peole on this board keep me going too. Goodnight to you!

by skipper, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
hi people:

i'm a 51 year old junky with a 35+ history of drug (mostly opiates) abuse. went the whole route from popping a few "feelgoods" to trying to find a vein for "just one more." i started posting to this site early in the summer pf 2001.



i though i wouuld post my variation of the supplements portion of

of the Thomas's detox recipe.



once a day on an empty stomach (first thing in the am when i get

out of bed.

zink chelate  75mgs.

magnesium chelate 50 mgs.

manganese chelate 10mgs.

vitamen a 1000 units

L-tyrosine 2-4 grams.

copper 2 mgs.



start out when detoxing, or preping for detox with 4 (4000mgs) of

l-tyrosine. after detox, cut the l-tyrosine back to 2 grams in the morning on an empty stomach.



if you do nothing else in the recipe but take these supplements,

you will feel a huge and unbelieveable amount beter. i least i

did, and i've alway been real skeptical of the whole health food/

vitamen trip.



i won't go into the other asspects of the "recipe" right now.

there is a huge controversy about taking benzo's, as well there

should be. besides the diet supplements, exercise of any kind

will deliver the largest return on any effort you make. a lot of

people see w/d and detoxing as something "to wait out." i spent

enough time waitin while i was using thankyou. detox, for me, is

getting up off my ass and doing as much as possiable for myself.



hope everyone is doing well

keep an angel on your shoulder

kip

by tex3, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
Hi and welcome. I agree wholeheartedly with the recipe idea. I actually only take the l-tyrosone, 5HTP, and a good multi-vitamin. This helped me tremendously with mood and energy. I didn't find out about it until after I'd detoxed, though.



I did detox using a "cocktail" which really was the way to go for me. I'd gone through WD cold turkey enough times to know I didn't want to suffer that again if I didn't have to. So my doc prescribed an at-home detox regimen of phenobarb, clonidine, zanaflex, and bentyl, plus an anti-depressent to help sleep. I took these for about a week, although sometimes you only need it for 3-4 days. I stayed in bed and sweated it out. But this controlled the symptoms so I didn't suffer the heebies, restless leg, diarhea, and all the other lovely stuff. If you're interested in this, let me know and I'll  post more information.

Good luck and hang in there!

tracy

by fishman59, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
Hi everyone;well here I'am a 26 year user,I've already tried "cold turkey" a couple of times(not too smart).Now after asking for help professionaly I've been told I have to wait 6 months,I can't-if I wait I'll never do it.So I'm trying cold turkey again and this pain is unbearable,what can I do???

by fishman59, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: tex3
Tex3---I need some info from you,if you would'nt mind!! The "slow" rapid detox you spoke of,how does it work? what does the doctor use for the sedation? etc. etc. any info you have would be appreciated!!

by hippy, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: fisherman 59
try thr receipe posted right above this post.

keep posting and hang in there, you can do this .

it's really worth all the effort to get your life back.



hope your feeling better

peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

michael from philly

by fishman59, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Hippy
Thanks for the info Hippy ---but,--this is canada.Even though we live minutes apart its like a different world up here!!Even something as simple as the name of a vitamin (I think its a shot at retaining our "culture").My other problem is the time factor, I have already stopped using at least up to the time I'am writing this! Vitamins & minerals tend to take a while to be absorbed into our systems (unlike my doc). This time thing has me all ****** up I can't even remember what day it is unless I stop and look at a calendar!No concentration anymore,even before I stopped my brain was messing me around making me think things a rational human being would never let enter their minds!!! My wife is scared half to death that I won't live through this w/d and to tell the truth the way I feel right now it would sure be a break from these w/d symptoms,but I guess I'm rambling now...I would like to take a look at how tex3 did on that "slow" rapid detox thing then maybe I will be able to talk my GP into coming over to my house with his little doctors bag and hooking me up although I don't think doctors in canada do that anymore (another culture thing??)

by BOOP93, Jul 25, 2002 12:00AM
HELLO ~ THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, I AM DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR HELP GETTING THRU W/D.  MY ADDICTION IS TO NORCO, WHICH I WAS ORIGINALLY PUT ON FOR PAIN ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO, AND IT IS NOW UP TO ABOUT 15 PILL A DAY. ANYONE FAMILIAR W/THIS TYPE PLEASE GIVE ME ANY ADVISE YOU HAVE.     THANK YOU!!!!

by 1fortheroad, Jul 26, 2002