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Valium

by cael, Aug 20, 2002 12:00AM
I know someone who just cannot sleep. They just lie there all night with no inclination to sleep. Right now valium seems to do the trick. However I am very worried about the addictive effects. My mother was on barbiturates and that was horrible.
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by alexandra_r, Aug 20, 2002 12:00AM
To: cael
Hi and welcome to the forum.  Valium is one of the most addictive drugs there is and the withdrawal from it is one of the worst.  I know people who have been addicted to valium that have bad withdrawal symptoms that last for months and months.  Plus, withdrawal from valium can kill you.  Honestly.  A person can have seizures if they are not under a doctor's supervision and taper off this drug very slowly.   In my opinion, the benefits of valium are not at all worth the risks/problems associated with it.  There are other better medications that help people sleep, such as Ambien, but even that shouldn't be used over the long-haul.  Personally, I use trazadone from time to time to help with insomnia problems and for me, it works great.  I have no hangover feeling in the morning, have never suffered any kind of withdrawal and it is not a drug that most people abuse.  Also, melatonin can be helpful as well as natural herbal remedies such as valerian root and kava kava.



Good luck to your friend--I think that valium should only be taken for a _very_ short period of time.  It's too easy to slip into addiction with that drug.  There is a guy who posts on here--used to post as the onlybenzoaddict--he can fill you in more of the horrors of becoming addicted to benzodiazapines (such as valium).

by alexandra_r, Aug 20, 2002 12:00AM
To: question for mr.michael
Hi Michael,



I have been off of vicoding for almost 3 weeks.  I feel just great physically--not even having sleeping problems at this point.  I also feel energetic and have been getting a lot of work done.  However, the pain in my back has been really bad--it just wears me down.  I don't think I can live with the amount of pain that I am in and don't think I should have to.  My question to you is this:  I was taking about 5 - 6 vicodin a day and that controlled my pain perfectly.  I am worried about going back on the vicodin because of the amount of acetimenophen and also I just hate the feeling of w/d's that come after 6 hours.  I would like a medication that is long acting, but I don't want something that is really strong.  Do you know what the equivalent of 5 - 6 vicodin would be in a longer acting pill such as MS Contin.  I believe that MS Contin is the longest acting drug and that's why this seems the best to me, but I am not sure what the dosing would be on it.  My doctor is worthless--I am changing to a new HMO, but until I get a better doctor, I'd rather get my advice from you.  Thanks!

by SmokethisVette, Aug 20, 2002 12:00AM
To: Cael
Hey there....

     I just wanted to post about someone I know that was on Valium and what had happened to her. I am not trying to scare you, I just wanted to tell you a little story. I have a friend who was dating this guy named John. Ok HIS mom is the one I am referring to in this story...it is about her and her Valium use. John's mom had to have been on this stuff for well over 5 years...none of us ever knew it but him and his dad of course!! Ok so my girlfriend calls me up one day and tells me what happened to her. So here it goes...

     John's mom decided she was going to "just stop" taking her Valium one day...well John came home to find his mom flipping out as if she were a mental patient!! He quickly called his dad and they were soon both by her side within an hour!! They asked her what the hell was going on, and she couldn't even tell them. They called the doc...he was the one who prescribed the Valium...and said bring her to the ER right away!! The result of her abrupt stopping of the Valium made her crazy. If I can remember right, the craziness lasted for almost a year!! I am not kidding you...even resuming the Valium at the same dose didn't help her!! She was "crazy" for a long time...long enough to have her son an husband ready to put her into an institution!! Yeah that's right...it went on for sooo long that they just couldn't DEAL with her anymore!!

     So I warn you don't ge invovled if you can help it....INSTEAD of taking Valium...take the OTC sleeping aides!! I am serious...you do not want to mess around with something that can trigger such mental craziness!! I know for a fact that NOT everyone can or will experience the same type of thing...but in all reality...Valium is not something to just be casually taking cause YOU CANNOT SLEEP!! Sorry to say this but please if you have to take something, take something that you can buy OTC....seriously!!! Well thanks for allowing me to share my story..and like I said, it is not the same for everyone...AND John's mom did take this stuff for years..but that gives you NO reason to justify that taking it once or twice won't hurt...CAUSE it just MIGHT!! May god bless all of you and this terrible drug hell that we all are in!! May we have the strength to see the light and to STAY AWAY!!!! Laters...

Christine

by hellbent, Aug 21, 2002 12:00AM
To: Cael
I got through a klonopin (long acting valium) addiction recently. I was stopping opiate pain killers and used it for sleep. My opiate habit was huge, but it wasn't until I quit the klonopin that I truly went to hell. I stopped cold and didn't sleep for 24 days straight. There were many other horrible symptoms.



It's been 103 days and I still only sleep 4-5 hrs. a night. I wouldn't ever take benzo drugs for sleep unless you plan to stay on them forever. You will truly understand insomnia whewn you try to quit.



I guess for a non-addictive type who was going through a terrible period in their life (bereavement or something), using them for a few weeks might be helpful.



One thing about Ambien: It is very close to being a benzo, and many of the problems assiciated with benzo w/d are true for it as well.

by tb5, Aug 31, 2002 12:00AM
Benzo drugs (valium, et al) should only be used short term or very occasionally.  They can interrupt your sleeping patterns so that even if you've been asleep, you aren't really rested.  You feel like you need more sleep, so you need more valium...



Anyway, I recommend trazodone.  It's an antidepressant that has minimal antidepressant benefit, but helps people sleep.  They give it to people who can't sleep cause they are on prozac or whatever.



It is not addictive, but you tend to get used to it and have trouble sleeping without.  Few or no side-effects.  It's a cheap generic, and most doctors have no trouble prescribing it.



If you take it with some benadryl and warm milk, you're going to sleep no matter what.

by sunnyNight, Aug 31, 2002 12:00AM
hi. im totally new here and am not sure about what im doing. ok well im 22 and i am worried about my mom. since i can remember she has always taken prescription drugs on a regular basis. after her hysterectomy she was given tylenol 3's and since then she has developed a need for sedatives and painkillers. for a while i know she was taking Restoril (temazapam) every night, often more than one pill at a time. but recently i went home to kelowena to visit her and what i saw was quite disturbing. she had lost like almost 20 pounds, and she was acting so weird. like she spent a great deal of time in the bathroom because apparenly she is VERY constipated. Is this normal with this type of drug abuse? like one day she spent like 5 hours in there and she had set it up all nice with incents, candles she had a comic book and she just stayed in there for like 5 hours and i was totally weirded out because this happened evryday that i was there. also i didn't see her eat like at all while i was there and she had EXTREME mood swings and totally irrational behavior. so....while she was in the bathroom i went snooping in the spare bedroom and i found a pop can that had been made into a pipe of some sort. i have seen these pipes used for pot but when i smelt it there was no pot smell. i called my boyfriend and asked him what else it could be for and he said smoking cocaine like crack.

this was a very likly possibility because her new husband of 2 months sell the ****. like ivce done a few lines here and there with her while partying and it was all good. but when i was there recently she didn't want to do any lines. it was weird, when she in the bathroom she kept coming out and asking if i needed anything, then one tiem she was like "well if u want a line or whatever just let me know, im like sure whatever and shes like well here and gave me a half gram. then she went back into the bathroom. it was only me and her in the house atr the time so it was weird because why wouldn't she just do it with me, like she just thought i would want one so she could sit the bathroom and i could sit in the living room alone? hmmm.  anyway so after i found the pupe thing i monitored more closly while she wsas in the bathroom. when she would come out, i would go in right away so i could snoop around in there. she didn't like that. she would be like "let me vicit u" or "i need to empty the garbages". i found nothing but one time i went to go in and she said she had to grab somthing first, then she grabbed her bottle of valium from by the toilet. i was like hmmmm. anyway, brought up the fact that i was worried and she cvompletly lost it. denial is all that was happening. after i left town (4 days early thaT is) my sister who lives with them talked to my mom. my mom admitted she has a prblem but mainly with the prescription drugs like the valium. she is buying them illegally of the street. i am wondering by the story i've just told, how far down the path of addiction do u think she is, by the symptoms i've mentioned (irrational, skinny, no appitite, aggressive, sleeping on the couch not the bed with her new husband, constipation) what do i do. should i be worried? tyhank u so much for reading this long thing anyway.

by AlexisInTx, Aug 31, 2002 12:00AM
To: sunny
All I have to say after reading that is Wow, there seems to be a lot of problems involved with that scenario.  First, the fact that you're doing lines with your mother.  Sorry, but that in and of itself is really, really wrong.  If you want to help her, you're going to have to address your own drug usage as well.  I'm not being judgmental just being honest here, because I used to party *years* ago -- I did coke (smoked and snorted), and know firsthand how doing this can really alter your personality, can cause major health problems and even death in certain instances.  I never became really addicted to it, but it's a very dangerous scene, as I'm sure you already know.



Your mother has serious problems, and I think you should be concerned with ALL of the drug usage, including the use of benzos, coke, etc.  If your mom is in denial, it becomes difficult to be able ot talk to her about what's going on, and she's only going to quit when she herself realizes that she has a problem and wants the help.  I certainly hope that she realizes she needs help before it becomes too late.



I don't want to alarm you, but this sounds like a recipe for disaster.  If you can talk to her openly and honestly without her denial, that would be a first step.  Contacting NA or AA for meetings may also be an option for you now.  I would suggest that first, to help your mom, that you need to address your own drug use too.



I wish you the best of luck, and if you need support or someone to listen, you'll definitely receive it here.

by sunnyNight, Aug 31, 2002 12:00AM
i just got a call from her she has been camping for the last 6 days. i have been wanting to talk to her so badly cause i was eager to tell her that i am there for her and that i love her and that if she wants to come down and stay with me she can. i started to say this on the phone and her voice got shaky and i could tell she was going to cry. then she was like "what the **** u still think something is up what the hell do i have to do to prove it to you". from there she screamed into the phone hysterically and i was like "mom calm down im being nice here". she gave the phone to my sister and shes like "what tyhe hell did u say to her?"  and then she hung up. i called back and moms husband answered the phone...i began talking to him and in the background i could here her yelling "why can't people just stay outta my life" i was like what did she say and then husband hung up on me. that was at 2:00pm this afternoon, haven't heard from them, since so i don't know

they are all pissed off at me. i am so upset because my moms liek "the only thing that isa wrong with me right now is the fact that things between my daughter and i are not good". we used to be soooooooo close and i can't even sleep at night. like should i just accept it and ignore it or just fight with her, im afraid i am going to ruin our relaTIONSHIP. I DON'T KNOW I JUST HATE THIS SO MUCH. WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MOM I SAY TO MYSELF?
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