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help me understand!!

by uni_scubi, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
My father in law was just hosptialized for Diverticulitis something to to with his colon, but he drinks every day and now they say he is going through withdrawals. He is acting very weird. He thinks he is in jail sometimes and sometimes he thinks he is at work and sometimes he thinks he is at home doing laundry. He also says some really nasty things to his children who are only trying to help him get better so he can go home. He also becomes very combative, he kicks the nurses, rips out his IV's and they have to strap him down to his bed. The doctors keep telling us it is because of the alcohol withdrawals. Can anyone tell me what the symptoms really are? And if the doctors are telling us the truth?
Member Comments (24)

by motox4fun, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
The doctors are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! Those types of behaviour as you described are excatly what happens when a Alcoholic withdraws in a hospital bed. I am an ICU nurse myslef and I have detoxed many an alcoholic. COMBATIVE as HELL! I would rather w/d from opiates anyday as opposed to alcohol withdrawl. Sorry he is in such a prediciment but give it 72  hours or so and he should start coming around again and speaking normally. I would hope the doctors are giving him Ativan or Librium to keep him sedated in this period. It is much safer for the patient and the staff like that. After it's over, you could suggest AA to help him to abstain from drink in the future. The diviterculitis is a direct result of his drinking. His liver is also screaming for HELP also i would assume.

I hope things work out for you and your loved one.

James

by uni_scubi, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
Thank you very much for your time and information It is a help to me to know this. He has been in the hospital since Friday. I hope it is almost over. Actually they put him in ICU so they could sedate him. Otherwise he would not do what he was told.  Thank you again!!!

by The Golden Slipper, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
I did it again.  I had a relapse (or as I like to call it a slip) and again got an Rx for fioricet.  The doctor gave me 20 last Thursday with 1 refill.  I decided I would use the second refill to begin tapering.  Of course I am now down to 4 pills left from the second refill.



This has got to stop!! Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can taper down.  The last time I was able to taper quickly and then took ativan (0.5 mg. twice daily) which I was able to stop after a week.  The anxiety got to me and I knew I could get another prescription.

The most pills I have taken daily are 6-8.  I was previously told by an addiction counselor that at that low a daily dose I would not have a seizure, however it still scares me because I know that barbituate withdrawal can be dangerous.



My husband, who just recovered from major surgery, knows nothing about this. We are also thinking about trying to adopt a child. We have tried to have a child for 6 years with no success.  I cannot keep this up I have way too much to lose.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  I have been lurking around this forum for the past couple of months and it has really helped.





by Walking Bad Habit (WBH), Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: Junkies
9-11 is a day to reflect

I have read the posts in this forum for the 6 weeks that I have been recovering. It has helped greatly, thanks all.I feel like a winner. I see the people that I was using with as losers. I would like to show empathy but it is becoming harder to. I know they are good people with bad problems, I know addiction is a disease, but as some of us know it is a disease that is cureable. I can no longer make excuses for drug abuse Everyone has their cross to bear, not everyone is drug addicted. For the people that want to taper off the drugs taper. For me it was 3 days. For others it is a way to hold out untill they can con a docter or score on the street. The other thing I have heard alot is they cant shut down for 10 days to sober up. You have to find someone to help you. (family member, Nieghbor, friend,Church,) You have to work this out or you will just make something else your reason not to sober up. I dont mean to be harsh but I am going through an angry period right now. I also feel alive and have a desire to tell it as I see it. Good luck to all of us.

                                        Paul

by bmac, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: WBH
Right on!I know how you feel.It day 22 and I am fine.I beat this

and it took me a long long time.But it is a matter of will.I wanted to be clean and fought to do just that.Thanks for

just being here for us that follow.Clean and sober 22 days!!

                                     bmac

by GOD, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: Good Will Hunting
9-11



Don't worry my friend. Their deaths will be avenged. For each victim who died one year ago today, 1000 of the Godless desert scum will die. It is OUR way.



by GiannaM, Sep 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: Golden Slipper
I could never taper by myself-you fell overconfident when yiu have your fresh supply and then a day or 2 later we start panicking. I would always try to use just enough so I would not get sick, but ended up being miserable cause I wasn't high and you can guess the rest. Most of us cannot do it alone-it is not because we are weak or lack willpower, it's because it is a disease which is cunning and baffling and just waiting for us to f--- up so it can have it's way with us once again. I tried for years to get off pills-opiates were my first love but when I ran low fioricet will fill the void. I don't know your story, either your husband doesn't know your problem or else he thinks you have it under control. You need to confide in someone who understands and is willing to help you by holding your supply and giving them out only when needed. I finally went into a rehab and believe me, I was the absolute last persin who would have ever agreed to that-I always had a million excuses and then one day I had my moment of clarity along with my families love and support. For me, it has changed my life and although I felt pretty darn good while in detox/rehab (they kept me comfortable as they promised and I was coming off of 80mgs of methadone and fioricet.) That's where I learned how much help I needed and continue to need by attending and PARTICIPATING in NA. I was in for 3 weeks and after I came home I was on a natural high. I knew this was a "honeymoon" phase and sure enough on day #45 I wanted to use pills so badly, I'd have done just about anything to get some. Thank God I informed my dr and the people I used to ask to give me a few for this ache etc..are now aware of my problem, so I have no sources!! Instead, I remained miserable for 2 days, being kinda nasty to my family and forced myself to go to my meeting that night. The topic at the meeting was "compulsion" and it helped me to share and get over myself. Now when I look back I was like a big baby having a tantrum

by hippy, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: g slipper
you  could try to take 2 a day fir 10 days

take them at right before dinner.

i myself have never been able to taper.

i got clean in aprial cold turkey for 15 t0 20 vikes a day

after taking that many for 6months.

i found this fourm and read about thomas's receipe.

a vitamine receipe that helped me greatly.



it took away the sever depression aqnd the totol lack

of energy.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

thr receipe

l-tyfosine 500 mgs 8 a day week 1 ,4 a day the week s after.

b6 2 a day100 mgs.

astrong multy vitamine

vitamines  a-  c-- and e

copper

calsium-magnisum

zinc

magneese

phosphous



-----------------------------------------------------------------banna's for restless leg

plenty of water and gatoraide for the loss of electrolites,

imodium for the runs and the shits in the 1st week,

the runs will deplete us of all our nutreints and cause

uneseary pain and suffering.



if you have xanax or valuim it would help for sleeping 1 a night

for the 1st month, then drop them



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by JSmith02, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: WBH
Congratulations on 6 weeks clean! That's a ton, WBH. That's something to feel proud of. I've been struggling with grief and anger today, also.



I picked up the Big Book to remind myself that gratitude for sobriety, humility about the process and empathy for those who still suffer are the qualities that keep us sober over the long haul. That's what Bill says, anyway.



I just turned the TV to Concert for America and immediately heard Reba MacIntyre singing Woody Guthrie's This Land is Your Land. I cried tears of joy at the sound. I have never felt more proud to be an American than I do today. We are, more than ever, the hope of the world.



God bless America, land that I love.



Thomas

by bmac, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: JSmith02/Hippy
Hey guys the recipe works.I have been on it for 4 days.Feel

much stronger and mentally a lot better.I stopped the

Wellbutrin(anti-depressant)Sunday and began recipe.I have eaten broccilli,aparagus anything green and healthy looking.

Man I went to the grocery store and bought a lot of vegs and fish.The GNC lady was very helpful.She guided me thru all

the ingredients and I have been on the recipe since Sunday.

Already in now the 5th day the feeling of hopelessness has gone.

No more shakey no more runs no more depression.Either this

is all mental or your recipe really works either way I don't care,I feel really good.Like I said two days ago.I feel like

a hundred bucks!!23 days opiate free.Hard to believe I made it.

                          thanks guys,

                          bmac(Bill)

by OxyDout, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: jessesarpy
Thank you, I sure hope so.  Hey, do me a favor, read the post below with "baygirl" I have just posted twice, I have no idea whats going on, let me know what you think.



GWH

by koalabear, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: GWH
I was trying to protect you GWH, since I didn't know who that person was.  I know you said it was your sister, but we didn't know that.  (It could've been an imposter for all we know)!



Anyhow, hope you are feeling a bit better today, and it's great to have you back.



As for the "baygirl" thing, is it someone you know?  They said they were called RJ?



Leah

by OxyDout, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: koalabear
thank you, I do appreciate that, and I understood that, I just have no idea who this "baygirl" is, very freaky, and chaser? whos that........

by chasers, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: gwh
Hi. I just saw the post yesterday from baygirl and I thought it was really rude. I have asked a couple of questions on here before and you answered them (obviously you don't remember):) Anyway , I just kinda stepped in and said what I thought. But then she answered back and said it was just a joke. I'm staying out of things that are none of my buisness from now on.  LOL

by OxyDout, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
no, I remember, I just didn't understand and thought that you knew each other, I don't know....... but I remember :)

by chasers, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
I don't know her but from what the post said, it wasn't really her anyway. They said they were jusy logged in under her name?? Who knows.The whole thing didn't make any sense. Sorry I even posted anything. I didn't mean to upset you. It sounds like you don't need the confusion right now:)

by OxyDout, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: chasers
thats ok, i wasn't bothered by you, it was him, he said his name is RJ, its not a big deal anyway, I have had a long week, and I could care less about what he has to say.

by alexandra_r, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: Jessearpy
Hi Jess,



I want to say something and I hope I don't offend you.  I have a lot of respect for you--your posts almost always make sense and have inspired me in the past.  BUT what you said about the victims of 911 being avenged bothered me-- YOu did not say the "terrorists," but rather referred to the people who were responsible for 911 as "desert scum."  The reason this bothered me is because I am 1/2 Egyptian (and 1/2 French).  I was born in Alexandria, Egypt.  I am very proud of my heritage and proud of my father for moving to the U.S. when I was six and giving my sisters and myself a better life.  I have dealt with prejudice concerning my heritage for years.  Using terms like "desert scum" doesn't refer to terrorists per se, but classifies a whole group of people based on what their ethnic background is.



I was devastated by the events of 9/11.  I grew up in New York City--it is my HOME TOWN.  I knew 2 people who died in the twin towers + my real estate lady's brother was on flight 93.  It touched me deeply.  But more than anything, I was saddened that some of the people who were responsible for these terrible acts were from the same part of the world that 1/2 of my family is from.  Throughout the last year, my family has dealt with ignorance and hate crime, directed at them ONLY because of the heritage that they happened to share with these terrible "evil-doers."  "DESERT SCUM" is as hurtful as the word "******"  Not to mention, these terms do nothing to promote much needed peace in our ever hostile world.



I was hurt that you used this term and wanted to mention it to you.  I'll probably get a whole ration of s***t from people because I have disclosed something personal that people may resent me for, but I just had to say something.



Sincerely,

Alex



by 4kids, Sep 12, 2002 12:00AM
To: The Golden Slipper
I started my detoxe today. I was taking 10 Vicoden a day. I went to a Freedom Clinic and they enlisted the help of my doc. to detox me. I am scared but I think what the doctor did will benifit me in the end. Here is my tapering schedule.

Day 1---9 pills

Day 2---8

Day 3---7

Day 4---7

Day 5---6

Day 6---5

Day 7---4

Day 8---4

That is all I know until I go back