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recovery is a process of simplafication.

by hippy, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
keeping it simple, there is a lot of wisdom in  keeping it

simple.  as an addict i have a tendency to complacate things.

i have found that simplicty is a key to recovery,

recovery being positive active change in my attiudes and actions.

cash regester honesty being one.

being open minded.

and commiting to this way of living.

i have read that three of the most important things

we can do is love god, love others and love yourself.

weel i for one have always had little sucess loving god, or myself. but loving other has been somthing i have been able to relate to and have been able to do.

as far as loving myself , that has always been difficult

do to my built in low self esteem, and my not being able to live up to my own unrealistic expecations of myself, that is part of being an addict and suffering from perfectinism.

as far as loving god i have not done to good with that because of my natural lack of faith, and god 's seeming absence.

back to keeping it simple, live each day  and try to do the right thing, like all the things they taught us in kindergarden

don't hurt people. don't lie. don't hit nobody.

no stealing, share with others. be a good example.

better to complement others than put them down.

it gets us a lot further in life.

and we need people in our lives, tis fact is so very important

for addicts , being alne is not good for us.

we tend to isolate from others.an addict alone is in bad company.



im rambling, it's nice to see the form back to some sense of normalcy  peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Member Comments (35)

by GOD, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: Hipee
What you described is also called "The Golden Rule" --



A good way to live your life (Whether you believe in a higher power or not!)



I also agree with you about not bringing religion into this board... It does scare some people away-- Especially if they were raised in religiously repressive environments. These people already have enough guilt to go around W/O the Right-Wing religious indoctrination. Don't get me wrong; I'm a very spiritual person, and do believe in a "Higher Power" (whom I call God), but people need to deal with their own problems before addressing their spiritual life....



Good to see the REAL hipee again!

~~~~Jess~~~~



by hippy, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: jess
agreed im with you , we need to set aside our differences at the door. especally religion.

we  are here to focous on the problems of, addiction, pain

control, taking med resposnably, ect, ect,

peace to you jess, i hope your pain is not to bad these days.

by mrrstracy, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: hippee
Wonderfully said!!



It does seem so much more peaceful here!

This is what it's all about.

by hippy, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: mrs tracy
sorry to hear about you children,

don't give up i to did not see my kids foer

a few years before they  were back in my life and i got custdy

of them. but while they were out of my life it was quiet

painfull, and i drempt about them.

when we get on the right track , life starts turning

our way and miricles begin to happen.



peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by puma, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: hippee and all


Hippee,



I agree with you that an addict alone is bad company.



As far as religion, Yes we should keep it seperate, but why should a non-believer or believer in something else scare people off? We are all entitled to our own opinions. This in not politics here only a freindly discussion about addiction.



I found many people asking to be prayed for, and I feel there is nothing wrong with that. I will keep praying for people who really need the help. For those that don't ask, I won't mention it.



It is proven that people with low self esteem also have a low opinion of God or don't really have faith because they would rather blame something else unseen for their problems than themselves.



I've noticed people whom have God in their lives and are not afraid to admit it, no matter what religion or belief system, seem so have higher self esteem and more peace in their lives in spite of the short falls of addition or whatever problems may arise.



Take care,



Chatahan

by Nod, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: Hippee
Over the past few years of addiction I have spent much time on the "love myself" part.  Like you I have no problem loving others.  I do love God but sometimes question myself.  



Getting back to love myself - I struggle with this.  I have 2 small kids and a great wife whom I love more than anything. BUT, if I truly loved them would I slowly be killing myself as I do?  See, I have a had time fearing the consequences of what I do to myself/body.  That's becuase I don't like me, at least right now.  I have in the past and wish to again, but I have no reason too.  Guess some would say this is the addicts death wish stuff or something like that.  The last time I got clean was for my wife and kids, sure wish it was for myself, otherwise I fear I have nothing to build on.  Sorry to ramble.  



What you think Hippee, like to talk it over a can of spray paint!    the NOD

by puma, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
To: Nod


Nod,



I hope I am not butting in since you did refer to Hippee as the one you wished to hear from.



I really don't think most addicts are on a death wish. Addiction is a disease just like alcoholism, diabetes, cancer, etc.



I think we addicts all feel guilty that the disease has control over us at times and it makes us dislike what we are doing to our bodies and therefore lives. We begin to feel hopeless at times and that's where the 12 steps come into play. Even cancer patients go through this, and they can help themselves in many ways to go into remission if they try hard enough.



The 12 steps are to help us see we are not bad people but need help. It's how we handle the getting help part that counts. You've already admitted addiction, that's a major start to recovery.



I think it's those in complete denial that are just killing themselves because they feel they have no reason to live. You mentioned two of your reasons to live and get better, yourself and your child.



I wish you luck. Sorry to barge in with my viewpoint if it wasn't wanted.



Chatahan

by mrmichael67, Oct 26, 2002 12:00AM
Alcohol is a drug, therefore alcoholism is drug addiction.  I think there is a difference with people expressing an opinion and preaching God.  I don't think there is any corelation with low self esteem and faith.  I believe in God, but I certainly don't think that the answer to one's problems is renewing their faith in God.  I think that is minimizing things too much.  It's certainly not that simple.

by Nod, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: Chatahan
We are all friends here so no such thing as budding in.  Nice to meet you.  Apreciate your feedback.  Just struggling right now with the ME part of all this.  Hippee made a real great point and it hit home with me and what my "me" challenge is. I care about all my loved ones and family, just wish I cared as much about me as I do everyone else. Since I don't like me, it sometimes makes it easier to be so self destructive & not care about consequences physically.   Guess I'm stuck in a rut. Wasn't always this way.  Nod

by GOD, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
opps! shoot! ****! poo! hello mary lou. i'm drug induced at the moment and wish not to speak with all you crack heads.

by puma, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: Nod


Nod,



Thank you for the nice comment to welcome me in, it is nice meeting you as well.



What is it that you don't like about yourself right now if you don't mind me asking. Try to analyze everything you think you are lacking about yourself or doing that you don't want to to be doing and very slowly try to change it one thing at a time.



I know it sounds easier than it is but I went through the same feelings too. I still do somedays, especially if I get lonely. Have you tried N.A. or A.A. and if so did you get any support there? I hope your family is backing you up because that could make all the difference in the world.



You need that family comfort and to keep posting for support from the great people here on this forum. Take care, and God Bless you.



Chatahan



by GOD, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: You're back?
Reference C10- Posted by our little friend. Sorry guys, but until security is better, I'm outta' here. You can find me on the other board, or correspond via secure e-mail.



~~~~Jess~~~~

    NM156



by Sugarbeens, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: Jessarphy
Jess, I have kept quiet about the person who is posing as others and leaving these posts.  Analyzing what is going on, I truly believe this is someone who indeed needs help, but, goes about it in a entirely different way than we do.  His/her way is to act like drugs are great and the almighty and that they don't need help, just drugs.  It is a way of reaching out. Yes, this person has hurt everyone on this forum, but, we need to remember, maybe this is the person who needs us more.  It is hard to reach out and help someone who acts like this, but, remember, maybe they have reached rock bottome and given up!!  In their own way this may be the way to reach out.  Sounds like a very young person to me who is scared to death.  I for one will pray for him/her, just know that.  Jess, we all read your posts and know you, so unless someone new comes on, no one will believe those posts are you.  Love to all.

by GOD, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: Butterbean
Thanks for the nice words, Butterbeans! O.K.- I'm going to try what hipee advised, and create a NEW account.... with HIGHER security. I'll post when the new account is created.



~~~~Jess~~~~

by groovygirl, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: sugarbeens
You are the only one who has pointed out this very valid point.  This person has chosed this forum to do this.  There is probably a good reason for that.  Instead of lashing back, maybe we should try kindness instead.  



Sugarbeens...you are obviously more mature than the rest of us...thanks for reminding me why I come here.

by GOD, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
This is my new account- Yes, this is the real Jess...



Anyway, I hope that this clears up the confusion that we've had lately around here. Mariposa- as you said, butterbeans is right in that the person posing as various posters in this forum is probably in need of help, and this is his/her only way of reaching out. Please forgive my quick temper in the past, and I will try to help any poster who appears to be reaching out.



~~~~Jess~~~~

by athena, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
Good morning all

I hope everyone is doing well.I have been lurking for the past week,waiting for things to calm down around here and it looks like everyone found a way to deal with the goings on.I really do want to help those that need it.I happen to have a lot of time on my hands for now and want to give something back to this forum.

peagravel,I love your new name.I always hated calling you dirtbag.lol Hang in there,things will only get better.

hipee,glad your still sane.lol

mariposa,such a pretty name

All the changes seem to be positive,maybe we should thank the imposter.i hope everyone has a wonderful day.



pixi

by mrrstracy, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
I agree with all of you on our friend needing help. Why else would he/she take the time to come to this forum. It's evident they've been reading the posts because they comment on them.

Sometimes in the past, I would go to chat rooms and just listen. If someone said something I didn't agree on, I would say something scarcastic back, but I would never really share my own experience or reach out for help. So we know you really want help even if you don't know you do. Just try talking to us. I can assure you that you will be welcomed with open arms.



Tracy

by DIRTBAG, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
I started reading the posts backwards today and thank you pixi for the hello I'll check in later and to our funny friend who may be in trouble, look at all the wonderful people on this website ready to help and forgive you, how cool is that jump on in - if your honest about being dishonest they are ready to forgive and help you.  What a crew thanks everybody peagravel

by beenthere2, Oct 27, 2002 12:00AM
To: Chatahan,Hippee/all
I have to respectfully disagree.  



"Addict alone is bad company". One thing I've learned is that one of the reasons for my addiction was to "shut out the noise".  I realize now, looking back that I could never just be alone with myself.  If I was physically alone ( no one else around) I HAD to have a radio on, or the TV on, or be engrossed in a movie, or be engrossed in the computer.  I never allowed myself to be alone with my thoughts.  Its like turning on the radio or TV allowed me to quiet the voices in my head