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how did evryone deal with the 1st 5 days , off the pill's.
by hippy, Nov 06, 2002 12:00AM
this question is for everyone, how do people
deal with the dreaded 1st week clean and what did
you do to get through it.
this post is for people struggling to get past the
wall of fear we build in our minds, in regards to
stopping the vike's ,hydro,percs,.
i know i made it into a monster the thought of being with out pills scared me to death, but finally the pain of useing became so great , that a change had to come about.
when i found this fourm and read about the receipe , i found hope.
i was up to 15 vikes a day and i was scard to death all the time.
anyway i started on the receipe and went cold turkey, to my amaze ment
it was not nearly as bad as i had made it out to be in my mind, i could not sleep well and i was awake everyday at 5 am, my legs hurt
i felt like **** , but i felt like **** on the pills to.
5 or six days went by and i started to have feelings agian,
i was brought to tears rather quickly. after having no feelings
for 4 years. and then i was feeling happiness and joy it
was like a birth.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
deal with the dreaded 1st week clean and what did
you do to get through it.
this post is for people struggling to get past the
wall of fear we build in our minds, in regards to
stopping the vike's ,hydro,percs,.
i know i made it into a monster the thought of being with out pills scared me to death, but finally the pain of useing became so great , that a change had to come about.
when i found this fourm and read about the receipe , i found hope.
i was up to 15 vikes a day and i was scard to death all the time.
anyway i started on the receipe and went cold turkey, to my amaze ment
it was not nearly as bad as i had made it out to be in my mind, i could not sleep well and i was awake everyday at 5 am, my legs hurt
i felt like **** , but i felt like **** on the pills to.
5 or six days went by and i started to have feelings agian,
i was brought to tears rather quickly. after having no feelings
for 4 years. and then i was feeling happiness and joy it
was like a birth.
peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for bringing up this very good topic. You really hit the nail on the head with a lot of what you said. I had built up a lot of fear about what withdrawals would be like, and the truth was that it was not nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Once I through the worst of the physical withdrawals, I was so overwhelmed with feelings of joy that I did it, that I didn't focus on missing the drugs. It looked at it as an adventure and as a new chapter in life.
For me, my strong spiritual beliefs were a tremendous help as well. We all have different beliefs and experiences in this department, and I don't believe that it is necesary to have spriritual beliefs in order to get, but I believe that it does help.
So anyway, the first 5 to 7 days off the pill were something that I was so proud of that I could barely contain myself I loved it. The cravings to use again started about 2 weeks after withdrawals were over and I dealth with those (and still do) by reaching ou to toehers and trusting them. My forum family got me through it.
This is off subject, but I want to tell y'all something that is very important to me.
My mother got sober in AA 28 years ago. The woman who was her sponsor literally saved my mothers life and was very kind to me. She lead a sad, hard life on her own though. She had plenty of money, a luxurious home on the ocean, horses, all the 'stuff' that we thnk will mak us happy. I loved her very much.
She died yesterday.
I am stunned, and spent a large part of the night crying and refecing on my gratitude for all she did. If there is a heaven, the angels welcomed her with open arms.
I found out from listening to the phone message my mom left me, but I haven't talked to my mom yet. There is a strong possibility that I'll be flying to Massachusetts today or tomorrow to support my mother in her time of grief and honor this wonderful woman's life.
Life is precious. She touched lifes that she doesn't even know she touched.
I hope I told her often enough how special and important she was to so many. I truly loved her.
Thank you for listening.
love,
Tara aka WW
P.S. Is that an angel I see there on your shoulder?
To everyone,
I have been doing alot of research on opiate addiction, however I am not a doctor, only a pre-med student, but i heard about this recipe that has worked for many and I am in the process of obtaining all of the ingredients for myself. I have estimated the cost of everything to be a little under $200.00. I know this can be expensive for some, but when it came to obtaining drugs we spared no expense. Well here it is, and yes this was formulated by a doctor who recently died at the ripe old age of 106. I will try to find the website I obtained this from and post it as well.
1.Vitamin B-5 500mg to 1 gram per day - vitamin B-5 is the vitamin that is needed to metabolize and breakdown substances in the brain. In other words you need enough vitamin B-5 for the brain to work optimally. According to Dr. Bob, usually vitamin B-5 in brain metabolism needs about a 1-3 ratio to other brain substances such as choline, L-phenylalanine, and others to properly effect the necessary chemical reactions in the brain. This is why Dr. Bob recommended one-half to one gram per day.
2. L-phenylalanine 250mg per day – L-phenylalanine is an essential amino acid that is a precursor to two key neurotransmitters (chemical messengers of the brain) that promote alertness: dopamine and norepinephrine. The effects of improving dopamine and norepinephrine can lead to elevated mood, aid in memory and learning, and decrease pain. It is often used in orthomolecular medicine to treat depression. Supplemental L-phenylalanine should not be taken by pregnant women or by people who suffer from anxiety attacks, diabetes, high blood pressure, phenylketonuria (PKU), or preexisting pigmented melanoma, a type of skin cancer and multiple sclerosis.
3. Tyrosine 500mg per day - tyrosine is another precursor of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine, which regulate mood, among other things. A deficiency of norepinephrine in the brain can result in depression. It also is involved in the metabolism of L-phenylalanine. Supplements of L-tyrosine should be taken at bedtime or with a high carbohydrate meal so that it does not have to compete for absorption with other amino acids. Persons taking monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibitors often prescribed for depression should not take any supplements containing L-tyrosine, as it may lead to a sudden and dangerous rise in blood pressure. Persons with multiple sclerosis should not use supplemental tyrosine.
4. Citicholine 250mg per day, also called CDP-Choline - citicholine is metabolized in the brain to produce the neurotransmitter acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is involved with memory, thought, sexual function and many other vital aspects of functioning. Improving acetylcholine levels is an aid in regenerating a heroin user's brain. Citicholine also has been shown to be involved in producing other neurotransmitters of the brain. Take it in conjunction with vitamin B-5 supplementation.
5. L-pyroglutamate 800-1000mg per day - enhances acetylcholine function because it boosts the metabolism of the neurons that manufacture acetylcholine. It also improves acetylcholine by increasing the number of cholinergic receptors in the brain. The cholinergic system is the primary conduit of thought and memory that mainly employs the neurotransmitter acetylcholine.
6. Acetyl-L-carnitine 1 gram per day - is an important antioxidant of the brain and is involved in many aspects of neuronal metabolism. Antioxidants neutralize free radicals and damage from opiate use to brain tissue results in the accumulation of free radicals.Opiate use also makes it vital to stimulate neuronal metabolism, the ability to produce energy for the chemical reactions necessary for the brain to work.
7. Deprenyl - is a prescription substance that is capable of protecting the important neurotransmitter dopamine. Low levels of dopamine can impair cognitive function. Inform the doctor of any other supplements you are taking in conjunction with deprenyl, since all of the substances mentioned in this protocol create synergy and make each more potent. In other words all of these substances in this protocol help each other work better and therefore the doctor will need to determine your deprenyl dose, which may be more or less the usual dose recommended.
8. Melatonin 1-3 grams at bedtime - the main antioxidant of the brain, it helps to repair and protect the brain from damage. We mentioned that opiate use leads to accumulation of free radicals from prior damage and ongoing damage. Melatonin helps to neutralize and repair this damage.
9. Hydergine Sandoz - this is a prescription substance that increases oxygen in the brain tissue. Increasing oxygen in brain tissue can greatly improve the brain of a heroin user. We mentioned that damage to the brain can lead to decreased circulation. The decreased circulation reduces the levels of oxygen that can get to brain tissue. Hydergine can improve this condition. Hydergine acts in synergy with most of the nutritional supplements in this article. You therefore need a doctor who is familiar with hydergine and will know what dose to start you off at and what dose to build you up to. Inform your doctor of the other supplements you are taking when you ask about Hydergine.
Dr. Bob's protocol, is designed to improve mood and cognition, as well as repair and protect the brain. Opiate use has created many problems in the brain. You must jump-start the brain in order to get it back to normal functioning. This will usually not happen on its own when the damage that has occurred as depleted the brain and suppressed many other of its aspects. This idea is similar to a car battery that is low and can no longer start. Once it is recharged it may be able to start the car again, but until the battery is recharged the entire automobile cannot function. The brain is electrical, and it is recharged by the neurotransmitters. If the neurotransmitters are low or depleted they need to get a jump-start. Furthermore, many cravings of addiction that are triggered by the depleted brain, may be reduced in a brain that has been improved and rejuvenated. Dr. Bob said often, "good luck and may heaven's blessing be yours."
SPECIAL NOTE: Dr. Bob suggested taking the substances in his "Brain Regeneration Protocol" at the same time, except melatonin and tyrosine. The substances become more potent when taken at the same time. Dr. Bob also suggested taking most of them before 3:00 P.M. so they would not interfere with sleep. Additionally sometimes it was not possible to do the entire protocol, often expenses being a reason. On these occasions Dr. Bob recommended starting the brain regeneration with vitamin B-5, citicholine, L-pyroglutamate, and melatonin.
I hope this will help someone out there.
Goodluck and thanks to everyones encouraging words, I love you all sincerely. By the way is anyone from Hotlanta, Thats where I am.