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open fourm, any good books or movies to recomend 4 those suffering
by hippy, Nov 10, 2002 12:00AM
open fourm, but i was looking for ways for people
to pass the time of getting through the 1st month of
getting of the pills, i know it can be so hard to
pass the time.
hope everyone is having a restful week end
pax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy / michael
to pass the time of getting through the 1st month of
getting of the pills, i know it can be so hard to
pass the time.
hope everyone is having a restful week end
pax!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy / michael
I have to break this thread for a minute, so please be patient~!
Here is a question for all of you "Experienced ones" out in chronic pain land:
I just got a sample of the sublingual version of the buprenorphine hydrochloride (.2 Mg tabs, I think) and having been off tramadol for a good 48 hours, I decided to give it a shot... Well, In my experience with taking 2 tabs at 1:00 p.m. today, it is REMARKABLY like Tramadol Hydrochloride in BOTH pain relief and side effects. The buprenorphine hydrochloride gave quicker relief (About 15 minutes from first placing under my tongue) than Ultram.. The pain subsided and was not just "Masked" like MS Contin tends to do, but really GONE for a good while. It is now almost 6 hours later, and It seems to be working even at this late hour from when I took my first dose. This stuff is GREAT (like the Tramadol) in that I DO NOT feel "Out of it" in any way, and I'm alert, and ready for just about anything. The problem with Tramadol is that within a week of daily use, my body builds up such a tolerance that it isn't even worth taking the 10-15 pills in one pop to get the same pain releif as 2 did at the begining of the week. I NEVER got high from tramadol, just felt "Normal"-- If this buprenorphine can get me the SAME results without me having to take MORE AND MORE, I think I may have just hit the "Jackpot" here.
I'd appreciate it if anyone on this forum could share any good/bad experiences or any positive/Negative input.
Thanks a million guys!
~~~~Jess~~~~
The angel was on MY shoulder today~! Thanks--(you know who you are)
Thanks
Jesse,
Are you impying you are looking to feel high or just normal?
Chatahan........wildcat
Movies? Has nothing to do with drugs, but Christopher Guest's Best in Show is a scream.
Thomas
Hippee,
I respect most of your comments but this last one was irritating.
You indicated that cross talk at A.A. was controlled by Christians to scourge the addicts.
I think that is a bunch of balongia and an excuse for your real disbelief in a higher power except perhaps, yourself?
I referred to every walk of addicionists to N.A. /A.A. meetings and found you have to sit and listen with no cross conversation. It had nothing to do with religion or belief in God. That's each individuals choice. But you had to add you 2 cents.
I simply implied that on this forum we can give advice, information ect. not neseccarily attached to N.A. or A.A.
philosophy. You take your RAH-RAH patriotism too far I think because you keep referring to your cousin in the military.
So let's goooooo!!!!! Nuke em all; PACKISTAN AND INDIA, WE CAN KILL 2/3rd's the population in one or two blasts. YAH, YAH.
What a bunch of B.S., you normally sound sane but lately one needs to read between your racist lines?. Let's have someone else post a question for a change. Why is it always you? Talk about obbsessive/compulsive to wait for a particular time of day just to be the main man TO POST!!!!!
Chatahan........wildcat
You really need to see a pain specialist and he/she will probably give a test or two and some relief. This Hippee Rah-Rah is just too much right now. Hopre this helps, take care and God Bless.
Chatahan......wildcat
You should reread his post, I think he was talking about a TV show talking about how AA/NA was started.
Yes, I am looking to just feel NORMAL. By that, I mean living my life without the constant agony of peripheral neuropathy. In my case it is a severe burning pain to both feet, and can include on any given day: Crushing, arthritic-like pain in the Joints of my feet, a pins and needles dull numbness to the skin, The inability to even have ANYTHING touch my skin on my feet at night (If someone would just "Tickle" the bottoms of either foot, It feels as if a lighter is being held to my skin to the point of burning flesh away)-- Anyhow, that's the jist of it.
I am unwilling to take any true opiate such as OxyCodone, Hydro, Morphine Sulfate UNLESS that is the *FINAL option, and all other routes have been explored. I found Ultram to be the best of the Synthetics so far (until trying the Bupenorphine today)- However, Ultram tolerance grows quickly for me, and I have to alternate taking it by never taking the drug for more than 3 consecutive days, or else it soon becomes worthless as a painkiller, and by then, taking high doses of the drug becomes a neccessity to function. I have worked out a system that allows me decent pain relief 4 out of 7 days by constantly going ON and then OFF tramadol HCl, but it really gets frustrating knowing beforehand whick days you can get some pain control, and which ones you cannot!
All of the literature that I have come across to this point indicates that, unlike Tramadol HCl, Buphenorphine HCl is tolerated for MUCH LONGER at lower doses to the benefit of an individuals pain receptors and general sense of well-being.
*Being the Recovering Alcoholic that I am, I realize my potential for addiction/dependence to nearly any substance. (I have even VOLENTEERED this information to doctors at the pain-clinic that I've been working with TO MY DETRIMENT). For that reason (having an active "Addiction gene" so to speak), I really DO try to avoid getting a bottle of "Happy pills" that may lead me right back down to the dead-end road of drinking that got me here in the first place.
Anyway, Thanks for the input; and if anyone can offer any more First-hand information/experiences regarding Buphenorphine I would really appreciate your time!
Hoping and praying that he may have found an answer,
~~~~Jess~~~~
it's just a matter of history. the point was in the reason the oxford movement was not a sucess was the down trodden people at these meetins there did not relate to the well to do
people of the oxford movement.
as time went on it became more apperent that one addict helping another worked much better.
as far as me not haveing and beleif or faith you coud not be any further from the truth.
i really do not want to get into my religious beleifs but they are very strong.
also when people comment on others at meetings what they are trying to stop from happening is people telling others what they need to do.
there is a quote from the na basic text it says DO NOT GIVE ADVICE UNLESS ASKED OR ELSE THE NEWCOMMER WILL LOSE RESPECT FOR YOU.
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i am dissapointed at your post, besides being wrong, it is highly presumptious, if i did not know better i would think
that it was written by someone else.
there are people trying to get better here, and for you to write such nonesense is truly a shame.
You're a great person, and I love your insights most of the time. I suggest that you step outside and break something inanimate such a couple of bricks; or go to a junkyard with a sledgehammer and pound some poor junker closer to car hell. We are all here for the same reason.... We just want to get better. That's all.
Hoping your day gets a little better!
~~~~Jess~~~~