* Does not use the labels "alcoholic" or "addict"



But, when I drink, I absolutely crave more. I actually get a physicalPhysical activity
Physical exam frequency
Physical examination craving for it. When I am taking opiates, I need to take them all the time or I get heavily depressed that I don't have any, and end up physcially addicted, time after time.



I've been dealing with these issues since age 12, and am 35. But don't label me an alcoholic or an addict...



Can't agree with you on that one.

What terms does Smart RecoveryRecovery position - series use for those who have a physicalPhysical activity
Physical exam frequency
Physical examination dependenceAlcoholism
Chemical dependence - resources
Drug abuse and dependence on a drugChemical dependence - resources
Chemotherapy
Drug abuse
Drug abuse and dependence
Drug abuse first aid
Drug allergies
Drug induced hypertension
Drug rash on the back
Drug rash, tegretol
Drug signs and teenagers
Drug-induced hypertension?

should add mentalMental retardation
Mental status tests dependenceAlcoholism
Chemical dependence - resources
Drug abuse and dependence to that as well.  And by physicalPhysical activity
Physical exam frequency
Physical examination i mean physiological.

I AM AN ADDICT PURE AND SIMPLE-I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A DISEASE-WHAT ELSE COULD TURN A KIND,LOVING, BASICALLY HAPPY PERSON INTO A PRESCRIPTION MANIAC--WHEN MY THOUGHTS HAVE BEEN TURNED INSIDE OUT BY THESE PILLS--I HAVE FRIENDS WHO HAVE VICODEN IN THEIR MEDICINE CABINETS FRON 2 YEARS AGO--THEY TOOK IT FOR WHATEVER PAINAbdominal pain
Abdominal pain diagnosis
Acupuncture and pain
Ankle pain
Anterior knee pain
Back pain - low
Bone pain or tenderness
Breast pain
Causes of painful intercourse
Chest pain
Chronic pain - resources THEY HAD AND THEN THAT WAS IT--CASE CLOSED--

WHAT MAKES US SOOOO DIFFERENT? THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING IN OUR BRAINAmebic brain abscess
Brain abscess
Brain herniation
Brain surgery
Brain tumor - adults
Brain tumor - children
Metastatic brain tumor
Posterior fossa tumor
Primary brain tumor CHEMISTRY THAT PREDISPOSES US TO THIS HELL--FURTHERMORE I HOPE THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY TAKES NOTICE OF THIS EPIDEMIC AND DEVOTES MORE TIME AND MONEY TO RESEARCH ON THE CAUSE AND PREVENTION OF THIS HORRID AFFLICTION--LOVE AND PEACE

I AM AN ADDICT PURE AND SIMPLE--I ALSO FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A DISEASE--WHAT ELSE COULD TURN A KIND, LOVING, DECENT, HARDWORKING HUMANHcg in urine
Hiv infection
Human bites
Human papillomavirus vaccine BEING INTO A HYDROCODONEHydrocodone cp
Hydrocodone hd
Hydrocodone-ibuprofen
Hydrocodone-phenylephrine MANIAC. I BELEIVE THAT THERE IS SOMETHING IN OUR BRAINAmebic brain abscess
Brain abscess
Brain herniation
Brain surgery
Brain tumor - adults
Brain tumor - children
Metastatic brain tumor
Posterior fossa tumor
Primary brain tumor CHEMISTRY THAT PREDISPOSES US TO THIS HORRID AFFLICTION--I HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE VICODEN IN THEIR MEDICINE CABINETS FROM 2 YEARS AGO--THEY TOOK IT FOR WHATEVER PAINAbdominal pain
Abdominal pain diagnosis
Acupuncture and pain
Ankle pain
Anterior knee pain
Back pain - low
Bone pain or tenderness
Breast pain
Causes of painful intercourse
Chest pain
Chronic pain - resources THEY HAD AND THEN LEFT THEM ALONE--CASE CLOSED--SO I ASK WHAT MAKES US SOOOO DIFFERENT? I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY DEVOTES MORE MONEY AND RESEARCH TO WHAT APPEARS TO BE A MONUMENTAL EPIDEMIC. SO FOR RIGHT NOW I'M JUST TAKING IT ONE DAY AT A TIME WITH THE HOPE I CAN GET MY LIFE BACKBack pain - low
Back strain treatment

LOVE AND PEACE TO ALL OF YOU

I am with Dr Horvath on this one.  It gets into some psychology but basically, you are what you call yourself.  I reject the label in my mind since "addict" is not my defining charactarist. I think of addictionDrug abuse and dependence as a problem that I have much like my high bloodAmylase - blood
Bleeding
Blood cells
Blood clot formation
Blood clots
Blood culture
Blood differential
Blood gases
Blood gases test
Blood glucose monitoring
Blood in semen pressurePressure ulcer.   Off handHand or foot spasms
Hand tremor, I think that diabitics are the only other group of people that identify themselves by their disease.  I use the word here just because it is easy.  I think you know what I mean. It may even be a moot point.

I know plenty of alcoholics and addicts that won't admit they have a problem at all, much less admit that they are alkies addcits. I've seen more than a few die.



I'll buy into what he is saying when I see a hopeless addict like myself be able to drink or use painkilers in moderation, or as prescribed, for an extended period. If you admit you can never use or drink safely, isn't that essentially the same as saying you have are an addict or an alkie?



As far as smartrecovery, I am all for anything that works. AA is what has saved my ass, and I tried for years to avoid going there and trying "self-knowledge", and other methods. Never worked for more than a few weeks. But if it works and helps people get clean, then it's great.



For me, where the rubber meets the road is the hardcore alkies and addicts that stay sober longer than 10-20 years. I see them every day in meetings. My sponsor has 26 years and was just as far out and insane as I am on substancesDrug abuse, so I kno there is a miracle happenijng when he gets 26 years. The smartrecovery website says that there are no "statistics" for success rates in AA. Well, I see statistics every day: Crazy ass fuckers like me who should be long dead livingAdvanced care directives happy and productive lives. I'm curious as to whether I'd se the same thing in "smartrecovery". Gotta say I am very doubtful, but I'll suspend judgement until I actually check it out for myself.

Hadn't hear from y'all in awhile. How ya doing?

my father has been a sober member of aa for 37 years.

and he has 2 halfway houses in philly, i have seen

thousands of people get sober and live productive lives.

i have also seen just as many die.

im a member of na and have been for 20 years, i have lot s and lots of freinds who are clean.

what ever worx to get people backBack pain - low
Back strain treatment to being good parents,

and good famly member ,,,when people get clean they can change the world.



my sponser used to say to me ,   YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO MEETINGS

AS LONG AS YOU CAN STAND IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORK THE STEPS, AS LONG AS YOU CAN STAND IT.



PEACE OUT,  HIPPY

I have read the posts and perhaps Smart RecoveryRecovery position - series has something.  I will give them praise and gratitude maintaining this message board pretty much uncensered.  I am addict and have been for 30 years, from when I smoked that firstFirst progesterone mc10
First progesterone mc5
First-progesterone vgs 200
First-progesterone vgs 400 jointJoint fluid gram stain
Joint pain
Joint swelling
Osteoarthritis. I use the term addict only with other people in recoveryRecovery position - series, there is a social stigma attached to that word.  However, if a normal person wants to sit down and spend a half hour to hear the whole story from the start to the present.  By the end of our talk, I will identify myself as an addict in recoveryRecovery position - series.



I have done this a few times and every time the talk led to one of their familyBirth control and family planning
Choosing a primary care provider
Ewing’s sarcoma
Family troubles - resources members having a drugChemical dependence - resources
Chemotherapy
Drug abuse
Drug abuse and dependence
Drug abuse first aid
Drug allergies
Drug induced hypertension
Drug rash on the back
Drug rash, tegretol
Drug signs and teenagers
Drug-induced hypertension/ drinking problem.  I have been able to help them by meeting with their son, daughter ectAbortion - elective or therapeutic
Acute cytomegalovirus (cmv) infection
Acute hiv infection
Adenoid removal
Adrenalectomy
Advanced care directives
Anorectal fistulas
Aortic dissection
Appendectomy
Appendectomy - series
Artery cut section.

I have usually been the firstFirst progesterone mc10
First progesterone mc5
First-progesterone vgs 200
First-progesterone vgs 400 person to have empathy instead of threats to their using.  I have some pretty good friends who work at various treatment centers and have been able to get 12 addicts to enter a program.  Seven are still clean and a couple marriages and babiesBabies and heat rashes
Baby feeding patterns have come along because they committed to their recoveryRecovery position - series and NA or AA. My part, one addict helping another, simply a stoneAcute cholecystitis (gallstones)
Bladder stones
Developmental milestones
Developmental milestones record
Gallstones
Gallstones, cholangiogram
Kidney cyst with gallstones, ct scan
Kidney stones in the river they took the step and trust to the other side.



Treatment centers have become big business, even though a few here in vegas have the patientsKidney diet - dialysis patients best interests firstFirst progesterone mc10
First progesterone mc5
First-progesterone vgs 200
First-progesterone vgs 400 and foremost. Most you have to have insurance or cash or no treatment for you. For me whatever can keep a person clean, then God Bless Them. There are times I hate being an addict, mainly my distorted out look on life and relationships especially through withdrawls, my behaviorAutistic behavior
Behavior - unusual or strange
Bulimia
Hyperactivity
Suicide and suicidal behavior
Temper tantrums changes or I am out of my stash.  Now are the times I can accept it as a gift, I am working a program, going to meetings, sharing on this board.  I have been humbled and I still cannot believe the withdrawls from oxy's. It is day 15 and I am still hurting.  It seems like a month has gone by.



I must be feeling better, every time I post I write a book. I will work on keeping it shorter. Thanks to all who helped me in my season of hell (withdrawls), you know who you are. If your new this board can help you get clean.

Strength and Honor

Greg

yo greg it nice to read your post, i have a freind in na in vegas neil ignatin  he 's from philly . he moved there about 10 years ago.

you mention a season in hell , the decatant french poet.

arthur rimbaud one of my fav's



peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a great christmas and newyear

great work! I enjoy your post!



Teeitup!

hippee,



yeah, that name sounds real familar, I am just now renewing old dear friendships, I am not kidding when I say my main and mostly only friends were and will be in recoveryRecovery position - series.  I cutCuts and puncture wounds loose partners I had known for 20 years because they drank or used.  As now, my recoveryRecovery position - series is firstFirst progesterone mc10
First progesterone mc5
First-progesterone vgs 200
First-progesterone vgs 400 before business, friends ectAbortion - elective or therapeutic
Acute cytomegalovirus (cmv) infection
Acute hiv infection
Adenoid removal
Adrenalectomy
Advanced care directives
Anorectal fistulas
Aortic dissection
Appendectomy
Appendectomy - series
Artery cut section.  Even my wife.  If your in touch with neil, ask him if he knows greg carol, maybe you could find out what meetings he is going to, I will meet him there.  The more I think about, I am pretty sure I know him.

Peace



teeitup,

hhHows that Golf game coming?  Thanks for your kind words and keep your inspirational posts coming.  Look forward to being clean with you.

Strength and Honor