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Pain med qustion

by alchemist, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
I have ofen heard that one should not mix pain meds and the antacid medicine tagamet (cimetidine) because of some side effect problem.  I'm not 100% sure but I think it inhibits the metabolism of the pain meds or something to that effect.  I need to take an over the counter acid reducer for night time acid reflux but I was wondering if the same problem exists for pepcid or zantac.  I do realize that I can take a tums for the problem but I need something that can last all night long.  I don't mean to take up space for a simple question so feel free to post other questions on this thread.  



Have a Merry Christmas!!



Alchemist
Member Comments (38)

by Thomas02, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: southerndarlin
Have you given L-Tyrosine a try? I describe it fully, including exactly how to use it, in The Recipe. Let me know if you need a copy.



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Many if not most recoverying opiate addicts go through extreme and enduring depression and lack of energy after detoxing. With all due respect to your therapist, I doubt if he can restore the depleted neurotransmitters in your brain that are actually responsible for you feeling this way. But the simple, safe amino acid L-Tyrosine can! Spend 8 bucks for a bottle of 50 caps (nutritional supply stores, etc.) plus some B6 and give it a worl. It won't hurt you and just might enable you to climb out of this pit you're in. In fact, I know it will. You see, I know things about junkies. Call it a gift ... Now, don't use the L-Tyrosine without having a copy of MY version of the recipe. It's not complicated, but must be used in just the right way to really work. E-mail me for a copy, southernsiren.



Thomas

by peaz, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Thomas
It sounds as if we might get 86'd off this board......oh well, we could meet clandestinally--clandestinely--in a clandestine manner at the other place.....Peaz

by oxic, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: Peazy
......just reading a lit'l, and I'd say you would be closer to get 69'd on this board.

Seasons Beatings Peazy.......aren't those intoxicated relatives a pile of fun.  I don't like mine at the best of times; throw in booze, and a lack of 'perc'sonality on my part====****, Im outta here.

Was Santa good to ya?? Did you get that much needed deep glute massage that you soooo deserve??

Percs

ps... who's greg?(are you mixing me up with someone?

by hippy, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
a little milk of magnisia , which is a laxative

works well for acid reflux when taken in small amounts.



peace and merry good day to you al

by saveyourself, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: hippee
Merry Christmas and may God Blessings be upon your family.

I read psalms 25 this morning. I saw myself in most of it. I was the first one up I am really going nuts with 2 0r 3 hrs sleep a night. But this to shall pass.  This is day 18 of withdrawl and it feels like day 4. oxycotin withdrawl is worse than heroin and almost as bad as methadone.



Fortunately the Christmas was great,  I have to remind my self I can choose my feelings.  Right now I am faking it until I make it, I have to for the family and Christmas.  I am so friggin tired, fatigue and brain dead, I just needed to share.  You sound like a great guy and we have a lot in common.  

Keep in Touch,

Greg

by hippy, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: save
merry x mas , i hope your feelig better.

every thig takes time, deeds take time.

seems like everything takes a season

like planting seeds , they take a season to harvest.

i used to say to my son that it seemed like it took

god a season to answer my prayers.

a season is 90 days , how ironic.

yes , when i read your post i can see that we

come from the same school of thought. na.



peace to you and yours.

i hope you get some rest.

by Thomas02, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: paid med
Sorry, I don't knoew the answer to that one. I'd call a pharmacy. usually, Savon has a 24/7 store you can call even on Christmas. It's usually identified as an "always open: in the Yellow pages. Good luck.



O, I had a question: are you taking the tagamet because of heartburn caused by the pain meds? If so, just take the pain pills with a glass of milk and some toast. Follow it up later with some hot soup -- just not tomato soup. Chicken works best.



Thomas

by peaz, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist
Hi and Merry Christmas!  I'm a pharmacy tech, and as far as I know, there may be drug interactions w/ Tagament and benzos and narcs like demerol and morphine.  You mentioned taking Tums along w/ it, but you should separate the dosing by  a couple of hours.  Have you considered Ranitidine? (Zantac)  There aren't the drug interactions w/ pain meds, and you can take it along w/ antacids.  Just a thought.  You might consider Prilosec or Nexium,too, but again, I think there's a benzo interaction.    Peaz

by alchemist, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: peaz and Thomas
Thanks for the response.  Thomas, I don't think it's the pain meds directly, they make me tired and I drink lots of coffe that is doing a number on my stomach.  Also, do either of you know what type of interaction the tagamet and the pain meds have, this way I can keep an eye out for it with the pepcid that I had my wife get.  I think its a metabolism issue but I'm not sure.  Also, Thomas, does the recipie still work while one is tapering or does one have to be off the pills completely for it to work properly?

by peaz, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist
You should avoid coffee, FOR SURE, at least a lot of it.  That should be your #1 thing to cut out.  The interactions involve either increasing or decreasing Tagamet's effectiveness.  So it depends on what other drugs you're taking and the individual per se.  I'm not aware of any metabolism alteration.    Peace-----Peaz

by Thomas02, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist - recipe
If you have a copy of my text of the recipe (let me know if you don't), you'll see that there are two phases. The first is dedicated to weathering the acute withdrawal symptoms we're all so fond of. The second phase is dedicated to overcoming the terrible post-withdrawal opiate malaise that robs every one of all physical and mental energy, as well as mental clarity and a reasonably positive attitude. This is because long-term opiate use depletes the brain's neurotransmitters vital to one's well-being, such as dopamine, norepinephrin and serotonin. More than acute withdrawal, this malaise is probably responsible for the majority of relapses.



So, if you're tapering (god bless you for even being able to do it!), DON'T use the first phase of the recipe. You won't need it. But after tapering down to either nothing or a very small daily dosage, you would benefit from the second phase of the recipe. I wrote a rather long post yesterday explaining all about what's involved in this second phase, so, if you don't mind, I'll just paste the same text into this post. Again, if you don't have a copy of MY rightup of the full recipe, e-mail me and I'll send it to you. Good luck with your taper!



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As bad as acute opiate withdrawal is, I find that the crushing lack of mental and physical energy causes more relapses than anything else. But there is a solution for most recovering addicts. Obviously, at this point, you don't need to use most of the recipe, but it sounds like you're ready for some L-Tyrosine. It's an amino acid available in any nutritional supply store that frequently brings recovering junkies back from the dead. It's cheap, safe and a naturally occuring substance we get in our diet every day. Spend 8 bucks and get 50 of the 500mg caps plus a bottle of B6. Upon rising, take, for starters, 1500mgs of L-Tyrosine with a B6 to help absorption. Take it on an empty stomach. You don't need to take it other than first thing in the morning. The effect will last all day. L-Tyrosine stimulates the production of adrenalin which indirectly stimulates that part of the brain that produces the vital neurotransmitters that opiate use (or coke or speed) depletes. This lack of dopamine, norepinephrin and to a lesser extent, serotonin is why you feel the way you do. Don't drink caffeine with it. Believe me, if you take the dose right for you, you won't need any other stimulants. Besides a dramatic boost in energy, you'll experience a renewed mental clarity and relief from depression. You can take up to 4000mgs in the morning, but I recommend you try a much smaller dose and adjust up or down to suit you. If it gives you the jitters, lower the dose. Some also experience a fairly benign and short-lived diahrea in the first hour. This can also be regulated by lowering the dose.



Thomas

by Thomas02, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist
BTW, peaz will just try to jump your bones.LOL. She won't be interested in any recipe. She's a lusty lady with a delightful personality. On second thought, maybe she'd do you more good than the recipe!



Thomas

by peaz, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist
What I meant to say in the last sentence was: I'm not aware of any RATE change in metabolism.  Peaz

by Thomas02, Dec 25, 2002 12:00AM
To: alchemist