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what can we do to get good feelings without drugs.

by hippy, May 02, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
hi everyone, i post this question for all of us,

as we get and stay clean, finding healthy things

to get our endorphins  to bring us those feelings of

well being , happiness, joy , excitment etc.



now i know some , but i was wondering what other s

experence are.

feeling good is an art, for those of us who have used

drugs to get this desirable effect.



im looking for all the ideas in this area i can get.

for me , reading is a big one. playing sports.



watching a good movie. .  working hard some times does it.

making money used to do it , but not anymore.

making love is always , like tops on the list.



so  what can we do to feel better and get the endorphins

going,



peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hippy
Member Comments (35)

by suzneedshelp, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee
Hey u!

Morning walks, walkin anytime.  Any exercise at aerobic intensity is better the Dr (Addictionologist) told me.



Romance of any kind, hand holding, hugs, holdin, cuddlin, kissin, etc



beautiful nature...sunsets, woods, skies, flowers, lakes, ocean, etc



Animals, holding cat purrin or cuddlin dog.



helping others who r suffering.



Thinking about wut we have to be grateful for.



playing games. i .e, cards, board games, etc



eating a fav dinner, or dessert



picnics, romantic dinners



back rubs



symphony, concerts, fav emotional  music



watching children play



volunteering



doing art alone, with family, or child i.e., collages, painting, make God box/ bag and decorate with little objects, i.e., glitter, sayings cut from magazines, litle stones, mirrors, paperclips, anything...



writing poetry



gardening



Hot bath by candle light



There are millions of em..



Love Suz



by theGolden1, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
I know! Make someone happy ...



I read that Love boosts the immune system. Whether you are giving love or receiving it, the population of killer T cells rises ...

by hippy, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
thanks  gals for you input,

by vettezr1, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
Wow, you guys just cured my insomnia. Good God, cuddling, walking the dog.

Dude get a dirt bike or a jet ski or something that will go really fast then take it right to the edge, trust me you will see God; say hello for me. There are a few other pain patience here that can give you some excellent advice for a serious adrenaline high.



by AmberHunter, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
i don't know if this has been tried before but i started a forum for anyone who wants to chat in a less restricted way... don't get me wrong, this is NOT to replace this board, i love this board! i just thought i would get your feed back...



if anyone is interested send me an email at ***@****!



amber

by Thomas050, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
Hi,



Well it is not as easy as non-addicts would think. The big factor is (for me) I use to self medicate, mainly for depression. And when you are depressed, you lose interest in everything. Things that used to interest me, no longer do, and no matter how hard I try I simply can't get into anything. Then I end up not knowing what to do with myself, and I get bored and my mind starts thinking of all the depressing things, and I end up drinking, smoking pot and or using pain pills. Then I feel good. Then later I feel shitty about being on them and say I will not do that again. Than after several hours sober...  repeat.



But I will say that two things that do help me in sobriety and when I do make the decision to go completely sober full time I will go into these things full fledge...



1) Excercise (working out, walking/hiking/admiring nature). I feel good after I do those things.

And 2) Helping others. I volunteered at an animal shelter a few years ago, and helping others in need (people or animals) is a natural high. It really is.

3) reading books about psychological problems/ & self help. Reading about those things and/or other peoples problems help me get a better understanding of my own. I would like to someday write my own book even :)



Good topic.

Best,

Thomas050



by whatitistoburn, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee
For me, I work my ass off at the gym every day, and get such a good, natural high. I'm also happy as hell to be off the damn pills, I must be on a pink cloud or something. I know that the longer you're sober, the harder it is to be as happy as you were when you first got sober, so finding things to have that feeling back is a challenge! Just think, summer will be here shortly, and we can spend a lot of time do out door activities, work premtting, of course. It's been a dreadful winter and spring where I live, and I can't wait to get out, and take a good run on the beach!



I do a lot of reading too, like Thomas I learn a lot about myself from other peoples neurosis! Ha!



Burn

by hippy, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
thanks everybody, for your input.

i too like reading,  scott peck -the roadless traveled

robert bly- iron john.

a book called the spirituality of imperfiction,,.

heping others,is a real big one, people just getting clean,

in n.a.

for years i had my children at home , and they took up a big part of my life and gave  me great joy.

my youngest is now gone off the collage.

so now my biggest problem is empty nest syndrome.

ajusting to this has been difficult.

being a caretaker for my kids  was a big part of my life

so change is in order, anf i don't do change , to well.



peace!!hippy



hey thomas remember that self help book from the late 70's

IM OK YOUR OKAY, WELL THAT GUY KILLED HIMSELF.

.

by rodewc, May 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee!~
Yr KIDDING!



ARENT U? (about the "I'm OK, yr OK" guy?!)



Tell me it aint so.



yikes... well, my best advice for (yr/my/any) empty nest, hippee, is a dog.. I am able to say to her, the pup, what I cant say to, or couldnt, to my real life kids.. as in NO! My hubby kids me and says She does have FOUR names like the dang pedigree dogs do... Her four names are: Don't Do That Dawg.



Meanwhile, if you are bored, go to drugabuse.com (support thread) and see how they treat the truth sayers there.. You, too , Peaz.. IMO, someone ( a girl ) needs what we gals call a ***** slappin' (slamming a nick called Motz)



But then.. takes one to know one:)



Mystere, i flushed all but 2 of the VikES.. Even then "Trainspotting" was premiering in my head:) Ah well.. as Dancin says (or similar).. two is a frickin Joke..



And Thomas, I love you; my heart bleeds for you, and I don't even know you. Sigh.

rwc~

by lisabet, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee/Rodewc/all
This is one of the best questions that has been opened on the threads, IMO, and I've taken every one of them to heart (with the exception of vettezr1 suggestion about the jet ski!!!!)...smile.  As Thomas050 says, the depression leads to a shitty cycle of using, feeling good for a few minutes, feeling guilty, and starting all over again.  It sucks!!!  The best I've felt in months was last weekend, when I mowed the lawn 'cause my boyfriend was under the weather, and since I haven't been used to physical "stimulation" for months, I thought I was gonna die after a hour and a half.  Then I came in, sat down, and sipped some ice water, and after about a half hour I realized I felt better and more alive than I felt for a long time.  This natural high lasted the rest of the evening. So everyone is right.....any kind of exercise is fantastic.  (Needless to say, I haven't done anything since to get this same effect...but at least I know I'm on to something now!)...smile.  Also, massages are wonderful; if I could afford it I'd get one everyday!  Not only do they relax you, it actually releases toxins in your body (so anyone who gets a massage, be sure to drink a lot of water afterward).

Rodewc: you are very-very brave to flush your pills, even with your "Trainspotting" flashbacks (There have been times thatI can see myself actually diving in the toilet after the little darlings..)...smile.  Hope your "dawg" gives ya lots of stress relief. We have a little Yorkie who's 11 years old who absolutely RULES the house (and us).  When he had to go to the "doggie hospital" not long ago, both my 15-year son and I cried ourselves to sleep the few nights he wasn't with us. He always sleeps with me; has his own pillow and blanket. He has been a big comfort to me; just thinking about losing him brings tears to my eyes.  Ya know, no matter how much a low life you feel and totally worthless to everybody, your pet has a way of letting you know you "matter".  That's priceless.  Sorry to ramble on - it's late and I'm tired. Hope everyone is having a nice weekend.  The weather is perfect here in southern West Virginia - not too hot or cold; wish it could stay that way instead of getting so ungodly humid and hot. But of course, no one is ever satisfied with the weather, or much else for that matter....smile.   Love to ya all, Lisabet

by sundara, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
there is a book called "Healing the Addictive Mind" by Gerald Jampalski(i think that's his name) . . very interesting idea contained in the book . .. .

as i do everytime . . just need to say thanks for all of you and your thoughts and feelings ....helps so much to know i am not alone

by AmberHunter, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
yes lisabet, animals do love us no matter how low we go... that is so true... even when we are not taking the best care of ourselves,let alone them they accept us unconditionally...



exercise, *stretching* (does that count?) i know how good i feel when i exercise. back twenty years ago i gave birth to a full term stillborn baby, my first daughter. i named her melissa susanne and she is buried in bonita springs, fla... i literally thought the pain of that loss would kill me... i really, really did... for whatever reason, i don't even remember, i started working out at the gym... and that saved my life... i was as addicted to working out (didn't know about endorphins then) but it saved my ass...



love to read... sometimes it is hard to read as my mind is just starting to return... my concentration span changes from minute to minute...



i am an artist and i am just starting to feel the creative juices stirring again, hopefully i will paint again or find a wonderful juicy new way to express that part of myself...



and helping people, ah yes...not a damned thing better than being of service to others to get me out of my own ****... the drugs give me such limited sight in my life... finding ways and means to get more... and there just isn't enough time to do or care about anything else... so sad but so true...



love you all! thanks for being on this board! it has added so much to my life as i try to learn how to live straight!



amber

by hippy, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: doc
thanks doc for your , answer,

you hit on the core of the problem

relationships,

before the age of 24 and useing all the time.

if you did not have something to do with

money/ sex or drugs

we had no relationship.

i know who betrand russel is,

he wrote the history of western civ,

by lisabet, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: AmberHunter
Amber - I want to offer my heartfelt condolenses about the loss of your first born.  I can only imagine the loss of a child would be the worse horror that one could ever go through. That you survived at all without losing your mind is a testament in itself of your strength and character. Glad to hear your creative "juices" are flowing again. I wish you happiness and love and peace.  I know I've gained a lot of inner strength through this forum, mainly just by reading others' life experiences. It makes me feel less alone, 'cause even though I have people around me that love me, they would be horrified to learn about my drug and alcohol problems. The ironic thing is I'm viewed as the "strong" one in my family and friend circle. Everyone would be horrified if they only knew how weak I really am.  I feel scared to death every day, but with the help of my friends here on the forum, most days seem to be getting better. Good luck in your recovery.  Love ya, Lisabet

by gracie97, May 05, 2003 12:00AM
To: Lisabeth/Mystere
Lisabeth, gosh, you nailed my feelings to a tee. I thought your comments were from me. I wish this self hatred would go away, and that I could feel inside what I show on the outside.



Mystere, hope things are going well for you. Day 13 is over, start day 14 tomorrow, but not back to the old me. How much longer?????

by lisabet, May 05, 2003 12:00AM
To: Gracie97
Hi Gracie - I think it's something all of us users feel at one time or another; helplessness, scared, pathetic...you name it!...smile.  But for myself, posting my feelings on the forum and also posting in a journal has made that fear a little bit less everyday. It kinda makes you look at yourself from the inside and makes you face and validate your fears, if that makes any sense...I think we all are "damaged" in one way or the other; we carry a lot of emotional baggage with us along the way.  We look at other people and think "why can't I be happy (or) successful (or) content or whatever?"...I remember several years ago, I had dinner with a childhood friend; she seemed to have everything; a successful career, social life, status; everything you would think that would insure happiness. She had just started her career as a physiatrist and had a sucessful practice, and I was telling her how proud I was of her, and (in jest) that she needed to analyze me, as I was such a mess, and she just burst into tears. She said to me "I am such a ******* mess, I have no idea how I'm in this position to try to help other people."  She went on to say how scared she was, and I've always remembered that.  We all have our fears and battles, and maybe down deep we're all scared to death; maybe it's just in the way we deal with it that makes the difference.  Just my reflections; sorry if I'm rambling...smile.  The important thing is, we all need to be there for each other, because we never really know what the other person may be going through.  If I've learned maybe even one thing during my 40-some years, I think we should treat each other with respect and kindness, which is why I'm so drawn to the forum members on this board.  Did I understand correctly you are almost 2 weeks clean??  Good for you; I can't seem to get past the tapering process.  From what I've read from others on the forum, sometimes it takes a couple of months to really feel