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hydrocodone withdrawl - sleep

by ragman, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
Hi:



I am a 45 yo male who has taken hydrocodone for 6 months for headaches along with zoloff and ambiem for depression. My useage was up to 7 15/100, formulated pills per day. I began taking as many as 4-5 at a time 3 months ago. After several attempts and help from my wife I was able to taper down and quit 2 weeks ago. Best thing I have ever done, may have saved my marriage and job. Most of the worst withdrawl effects are gone now except for a change in sleep patterns. When I go to bed I toss and turn and feel like electricity is going through my body. Is this normal? How long might this go on for? I stay up for a few hours and manage to fall asleep by 1 AM or later on the sofa each night so as not to keep my wife awake. I am still taking Zoloff and have started to taper off the ambiem from 10mg to 5 mg since it is not doing anything anyway.



Thanks for your help.
Member Comments (66)

by AmberHunter, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
this is "normal" and your sleep pattern will eventually get back to normal, whatever normal is for you without the drugs... i can't tell you how long it will take you, esp. since you are still taking the ambien and if and when you discontinue the ambien you will probably have some rebound insomnia and start going through the restlessness at night all over again.



a question: are you taking the zoloft everyday at the same time and not missing any doses... there is a shitty withdrawl that you may encounter when stopping or being non-compliant with the zoloft. believe me, i know all to well. paxil is the worst but all SSRI's have that nasty little withdrawl problem for more people than the pharma companies will admit to. so take it everyday and take it at the same time and don't miss any doses. when you decide to come off of it if you ever do check out quitpaxil.org...



good luck and congrats on where you have gotten so far, it is so worth it!



amber

by whatitistoburn, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
I can relate to where you are at with the sleep thing. I weaned myself, or kind of cold turkied off a high dosage of morhpine. A couple of days ago I was almost delerious due to lack of sleep, and I got a lot of support and suggestions. Maybe you would like to read the thread, it's a couple down the date was May 2. What I finally had to do for myslef to get some sleep, and I DO NOT reccomend this, but I had to have a few beers, and some greenage. It did work pefectly for me. I would prefer to be completley alcohol and drug free, but right now I am going to do what I have to, to get some sleep,just during the post withdrawal period because I have to be able to function during the day. I have a lot of stress and things to take care of, that I let go during my morphine haze.



I hope this post didn't **** anyone off. I'm new here, and not sure if it was appropriate to post what I did for sleep.



Burn

by mrmichael67, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
I don't drink anymore, but I wouldn't detox without greenage.  It has been discussed here before many times.

by solveig, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
what is greenage?

by solveig, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: oxycontin v.s. methadone
I've tried to start a thread many times without success, so here goes:

I have a son with severe chronic pain (he fell off a fifth story building 3 years ago--when he was 19--he has numerous shattered bones, prosthesis, nerve pain, etc.)



He was on 80 mg. of oxycontin 3 times a day until recently, when he decided to switch to methadone.  He is taking 50 mg. of Methadone 3 times a day.  I know Methadone is supposed to be long acting and some people only take it once or twice a day, but in his case, after 5-6 hours he starts going into withdrawal behaviors (shaking, cold sweats, etc.)  He says it is not enough, what he is taking. He still has pain, etc.  It is difficult for me to know how much is real pain and how much is the need to feel drugged.  He has a very addictive personality.

I keep the drug under lock (I finally had to buy a safe!!!)



Main question is:  What would be the equivalent in Methadone to the 80 mg. 3 times a day of Oxycontin?



He gets quite depressed.  Takes 3x75 mg. of Effexoy daily. Also 3x300 Neurontin



Any ideas?

Thanks

solveig

by peaz, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Solvieg
" Greenage"  is the vernacular for pot. around the forum. :-)

by cleo102, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
Wow do i hear you about the sleep thing my poor husband has been dealing with my tossing and turning for 14 days now.



I guess its his turn since his chronic loud!!!!! snoring has kept me awake for years



i am currently not even willing to leave the house I will have 14 full days in at midnight tonight.  I am still very anxious and nothing i mean nothing is getting done around the house.



If the rest of the crew that lives here does not stop helping soon i am taking the babies to my mothers and letting them here alone for a week or 2.



The pain issue is the one that i am having problems with I have always been a high energy person and I have none.



I take xanax before bed time and tamazepan ever other day.



I hardly ever slept on the pain pills any way so i started out as a zombie.



I hope i can keep off the narcotics but what is this pain patch I have heard about in the column.  



Is that adictive also?



I go to my GP some time in the next week and a half.  I know I am going to need some type of pain medication to return to work with my chronic pain (my doctor has no idea that the pills he supplied me only lasted a couple of days.  



My normal job requires me standing or walking and bending and carrying with out a break for a minimum of an 8 hour shift.



If I dont get back to work soon our finances are shot to ****



Of course it is my fault because I decided that paying for pain  pills on the street was more a priority than paying the bills.



I am sorry that It took a forclosure notice on my home to get the hint but that is the truth.  I did this and now I have to figure out a way to fix it.  



I never intended to become adicted to pills when the Doctor gave me the vicodan after i delivered the baby.  I fell when I was 7 1/2 months pregnant and the doctors delivered the baby 3 weeks early because of the extreme pain I was in.  The Vic took enough of the pain away at 2 or 3 a pop at first so i could get some chores done and care for a new born.  Had surgery on L5-6 and 6-7 when baby was 8 months old.  Been in rehab ever since.





I can only sit for 10 -20 minutes i can stand and walk alot longer now than after the first surgery.  Cannot bend without extreme pain.

One of my main suppliers died of an overdose last may almost a year now you would have thought i would have gotten a clue then.

No Im so thick headed the sky has to fall on me to get 2 weeks clean.  



God Bless and prayers for everyone



Cleo

by hippy, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
yo

by Thomas050, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
Damn, why is it these post topics always draw me in? Coincidence? I know exactly what you are talking about. I sleep like a rock w/hen taking the pills. w/ out them it's like, Ok deal with BS, stress AND depression... all while getting almost no sleep. lets make things a little harder why don't we ;) Is that part of the addiction factor also? It would help if my body was on my side!.. lol



I would also assume there are other pharmaceuticals out there to help you sleep. Remember Tylenol PM - you sleep but all day you feel like you didn't slept at all.

The best still is the natural way (if you haven't tried), hot baths/showers, a nice boring book, certain erbs, aroma therapy, sound, relaxation excercises... they can help.

But don't worry. When all else fails, exhaustion eventually takes precedence.



Thomas050.

by hippy, May 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: cleo and tom 050
hi cleo, im happy for you that you have 14 days,

but i understand you difficult situation with pain, lack of

sleep and the restless leg and body that go along with the wirhdrawls, not to mention depresion that can be stifeling.

the lack of energy is sometime's due to the depresion.

the back pain is best dealt with a good doctor,

i went through  the tossing and turning  in the 1st few weeks of withdrawls.

thre thomas's receipe helped  a lot with , the lack of energy and depression.

5htp  helps with depresion and sleep for me , i took 4 at night.

the L-tyrosine 500mg 5 in the morning along with 2 100 mg of b-6

worked wonders for energy and depression.

during the 1st 3 weeks of withdrawls valume or xanax at night

helps for sleeping if you  can get some.

imodium is important in the begining of with drawls

because the loss of nutrients and dehydration due to the run;s

makes the withdrawls a lot worse and makes the restless leg and body  much moe paiful. so load up on water or gatoraide

and lots of greens and banna's.

the hot baths are the only thing that works in the middle of the night  for the tossins and turning due to restless leg.

some people have gotten results with benadryl, for sleeping at night.



everyone is different.. for me the receipe during the day

and some valumes at night  got me throught the 1st month

reasonably well. i was never comfortable but i was able to function and sleep 5 hours a night.

previous to me taking the receipe , i could never get past the depression and lack of energy, tho i trie many times.

it was not untill i found this fourm and read about thoms's

receipe, was i able to finally get through the withdrawls.



thomas's receipe

L-tyrosine 500 mg 8 a day week 1 , 4 aday weeks after.(morning)

b-6 100 mg 2  a day(morning)

viamines    A- C- and e

calsium-magnisum

a strong multi vitamine.

copper, zimc, and magnesse

imodium week 1

gatoraide  and lots of water.

valume or xanax for sleep week 1 and 2.

lots of grens and bannas

lots of hot baths at night for restless leg and body.

by week 3  time to get the body moving , walk ride a bike , swim

]any kind of exersize to get the endorphines back upo and runnung.



peace!!!!!!!!!!!hippy