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Am I having withdrawals?

by Mrspile, May 11, 2003 12:00AM
I have been taking Vicodin ES and Percocet respectivley, for about 2 and 1/2 months now for neck pain, and then surgery on my neck as a result of a disk, and fusion. I quit taking the painkillers 3 days ago and to my surprise, I am very weak and dizzy. Last night I soaked my pillow with sweat, in a cold bedroom. I feel like crud. Is it possible I am having withdrawals from them? I would think you would have to be on them longer than I was. If it is withdrawals how long can I expect these symptoms to last. Is there a way to lessen the discomfort?

L.W.
Member Comments (26)

by mrmichael67, May 11, 2003 12:00AM
It sounds like you are having withdrawals.  If that is your only use of opiates (2 1/2 mo.), then I would say it won't be long now.  If you can go without them, stick it out and you should be much better in the next two days or so.  Take hot baths or whirlpool.  Smoke a doob (if that is your thing) and keep yourself hydrated (drink fluids).  Maybe a xanax to sleep for a few days or to relieve the nasty's a little.  This will all get better and it will be over soon.  Oh yeah, take a multi vitamin daily.  And, if you have to turn into a prune while taking the hot baths, then so be it.  They help tremendously.

by MethMan, May 11, 2003 12:00AM
I agree.  Hot baths do wonders for achiness and fatigue, even if for a an hour's break.  It's a welcome break in the 'in'action.

Also, if you find that you are clinching your hands or your legs jerk or get tight, eat a banana.  It sounds dumb, but it works.

The multi-vitamin will really help you too. You won't "feel" it helping you suddenly, but over a short period of time, it will help you build back up to your pre-vike strength.

Hang in there.  It does get better.  Much better.

by NEW ORLEANS LADY, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: Peaz/Everyone
Good Morning my Guardian Angel--My husband and I were "down on the bayou" this weekend--He had booked a fishing trip several months ago--Reeling in a 32 pound redfish did not help my neck and arm--I should have known better--Yesterday I would have mud wrestled a nun for one hydrocodone--But--thankfully things are much better today--I hope you are well Peazy--22 days and standing strong--I'll try and post again before I leave for one of our other offices--peace/Prayers N.O. Lady AKA Mystere



Anne



Gracie97--How are you doing?--Standing strong I hope!

by Mrspile, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
Thanks to all for the support, and advice. I am hanging in there. No sweats last night. I have a few choice words for my 2 docs, since niether one of them bothered to warn me of the problems I am having now. I would have opted for less pain relief with a pop of a pill. I am just frustrated that med profs aren't more forthcoming with the possiblities of physical withdrawals off of these meds. I am glad to know it won't last to much longer. Hang in there all. God Bless. Take Care.

L.W.

by Liquor all over, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: ALL WHO'LL READ
Yep doctors have no clue what so ever about pain meds and how to get off of pain meds. They know that you can get hooked on them but they do not have a clue how to unhook you from the grasp of opiates.

I have been on them for about 5 years now. I have taken every type imaginable. I have done every thing from TENS, Bio-feedback, physical therapy, everything! I am finally on roxicodone 30mg's. About 15 a day on average! Thats a lot of codone! They help the pain but I do not even get a buzz from them anymore. I take enough to zone out an elephant but I don't feel them, funny huh? Not really it is actually sad! I have taken as much as 21 a day, thats 630 mg's of oxycodone.

My worst fear is someday I am going to have to quit, I dread that month! Thats about the amount of time what I feel it will take to get over the W/D'S! God have mercy on my soul when that comes cause I feel I won't make it through it! They have been both a blessing and a curse at the same time. I suffer from terrible pain every day but I also suffer from opiate with drawal when I do not take them at the regular times too! It gets old having to get your pills make sure you have enough if you are going away for extended times make sure the doctor knows when you will be gone and watch your meds from people trying to steal them all this gets old! I had have friends who I caught stealing my meds and then I run short. The doctors and pharmacists look at you strangely when you refill. Or tell them they were stolen.

I am just sick of everything anymore. Life is starting to really suck! I sometimes awake and wonder, do I really want to go on anymore? Really! It gets that bad for me! I have put the gun to my head many times but I just have not went through it yet! Someday soon maybe!

Sorry to vent just rambling on.

Not a good way to start off as my first post, huh?



Liquor good and she'll return the favor!

by Mrspile, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
Hi Liquor. I am sorry to hear about your situation getting you down so much. I wish you all of the best when you can finally get off the pain meds. I know the WD's are going to be massive compared to me, but I found it getting so old being under the influence of the meds. I missed my old self, and energy. Just remember the person you used to be when you were med free, and hold on to that while you get them out of your system some day. Keep that in the front of your mind while kicking it, the clear head, the energy, the focus, motivation, any or all of these that applied to who you were before the painkillers took over. I am looking forward to having energy to clean house, and go out of the house, just feeling better again. You know it will happen but it has to be scary facing the possible month of cleaning out your system, fight for your old self back, you are worth it. God Bless and be with you through it. But please don't give in to them and give up. You can hold on and wait for you to get back. Good Luck.

LW

by AlexisInTx, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: Liquor All Over
Man, I'm sorry to hear of what you're going through.



The first thing that enters my mind is for you to find a good, qualified pain management specialist who can perhaps place you on a stronger, longer acting opiate with not as many side effects and less frequent dosing.  That would eliminate the amount of meds you have to take and the pain you're having to endure.  NO ONE should have to go through pain -- you should be able to have your pain managed and be able to take the meds without hitting a wall in regard to your dosing.



It sounds as if you're dealing with deep depression as well, and who wouldn't be.  You may also want to find an anti-depressant that works for you if you aren't on one already.  I don't have a lot of experience with anti-deps, but I hear from some that they are a miracle.



I think with the correct med therapy, including a pain management doctor who can work with you to attain the proper dosing and other meds (and non-medicine therapies) to help you, you can find the relief without having to always increase your dosages and find emotional relief as well.



Please don't entertain the 'this life is not worth it' thought.  I know, I've been there and have been lately and have to almost talk myself out of it on a weekly basis.  I know it's the meds talking, I just need to get myself out of this pit.  I can see you getting the help you need, but please seek it.



Take care, you'll be in my thoughts.

by suzieneedshelp, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: Dear Liquor all over
Hon... it is wonderful that you found this site and u r here now.  You know in your heart wut is ahead, wut suffering you have depending on the choices you make and you know in your gut wut u need to do i believe. That is why you came here.  Plz vent anytime!  

I came here last Sept desparate for help.  The people i met saved my life.  I had severe pain every day and now it is about 2 -3 x's per week and not near so bad.  I suffered and was on narcotics for 10 years. Thought my pain was untreatable after seeing so many Dr's in the last 15 years. Thought i would be on this strong narcotic. 10 x's stronger than morphine alll my life!

I have been clean now for 72 days.  I found a great DR. in inpatient rehab who has given me nonaddictive pain meds..he is an Addictionologist who understands pain and the disease of addiciton and how they interact.  Yes now i take 18 pills a day, nonaddictive, but my pain is usually zero!

There was a man in Treatment with me who walked with cane and was suffering so bad with severe pain, he could not work.  His body and stature looked s o uncomfortable and in pain all his waking hours.  In 10 days he no longer used cane and was smiling and looked so comfy sitting or standing or walkin!  A total 180 degree change.  Before he cried he was in such pain.  Then he laughed and hugged and he was a new man!

WEll i will pray for you and plz e-mail me if you like.. or anyone on here e-mail me.  ***@****

Peace...

Suzie

by Erika_Ann, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: Liquor all over
Suz is right. and Alexis in texas. Those two are wonderful with suggestions. Trust me. They have both helped me out alot. I felt so bad after reading your email. Its a really hard road man and we are all here for you to vent to! Please remember that. I am 32 years old and have had so many narcotics im suprised im still alive. And the depression (im on paxil as well cr). If you ever need to talk please lean on me. I personally have been through alot with surgeries, taking more med than Im supposed to etc etc.

Your post brought tears to my eyes and I just wanted to reach out to you and say that your not alone.

Please take care and let us know how you are!

Erika

by gracie97, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: Mystere/No Lady
I am here and,how many days now????????? I decided, based on the RR book to "quit" counting the days. I made a decision almost 3 weeks ago to quit, and I have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forever-the AV is not going to become the beast-I AM THE BEAST! I control me and make my own decisions!  I am NOT going to let a "high" dictate my behavior anymore. ( I WAS NOT a chronic pain patient, just a junkie)

Anne, I am sure you know exactly what I mean when I refer to the BEAST. I am having trouble though finding the " Million Pieces Book", I am afraid to order it online after reading RR. Keep up the GREAT work, I love hearing from you-I (finally remembered something) that you were out of town this weekend-I think things are starting to come back now....Hope you had a great time-sounds like u did!

by lisabet, May 12, 2003 12:00AM
To: liquorallover
Hey liquor...when you say you've put the gun to your head many times...do you mean that literally or figuratively???  Either way, I know that's not the route you want to take.  Just posting on this forum tells me you're not ready to take that directive yet.  You've just got to find your way, whatever that may be.  Many people here swear by the AA/NA twelve steps, by admitting yourself powerless and answering to a higher power.  Some do not. I'm reading a book now by James Frey - "A Million Little Pieces", that takes the opposite approach, that you and you alone make up your mind to be sober and follow it through. As for my own opinion, I feel whatever works, you know?  Some people are comforted by "handing" their addictions to a higher power; some do better by taking the power in their own hands.  I'm kinda of the mind that "borrowing" from both theories work (but that's just for myself).  Like I said, it's what works best for YOU!!!  Read, read, read all the posts you can in this forum.  There's SO many great people who posts here; if nothing else, you'll realize you're not alone in your struggles.  I wish you the best, and keep posting....Lisabet

by sundara, May 13, 2003 12:00AM
GOD .. .. i love all of you who post here . .. i ate my last vicodin on April 8th . . .. i come to this forum daily. ..the wisdom, humor and intelligence has been my life line .. .i am so happy for those who are past the intially stages of detox . .i am compassionate for those here who suffer chronic pain .(i was a junkie used for no other reason than i didn't want to deal with my problems).. working to have quality of life .. i pray daily for those working up the nerve to detox . . . i am humbled by my experience and my body is still not right . i wake up in the morning not wanting or needing to function . . how wonderful .. 2 months ago i could not imagine making it through the day with out a fix . .still having a lot of anxiety . . ..taking it one day at a time . . reading the posts .. using part of the thomas recipe. . .keeps me strong in wanting to stay clean . .. i am amazed at how many of us are out here . .. i really thought i was alone .. .  ya'll bless me tremendously . .. THANK YOU.......peace/love/understanding. . .

by NEW ORLEANS LADY, May 13, 2003 12:00AM
To: Gracie97/Everyone
I'm soooo glad you got Jack Trimpey's book--I know he says not to count the days but for some reason it makes me think about how far I have come--Every morning I leave my husband a little "love" note on top of his paper and I sign it "your pill-free wife"---Somehow I think he needs the reassurance that it brings--I am so glad you are doing well--You have been one of my many Guardian Angels!  Much Love--Take Care Hon--