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by KimH, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
I wondered if we could try that again? Will anyone share the positives of being sober compare to the hell of being addicted? I wan't to thank you Methman for sharing your hope. I didn't mention, I am an X herion addict and have been to a methadone clinic for a few years as well. I havent touched it in 4 years but I take ultram by the fistful. Not right now, I have been following the doctor's ween. I just think positive sharing of being sober really helps you get through the hard part of recovery. When you don't see any positive, seeing someone else's does.
Member Comments (52)

by SarpyJesse, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Ginaluv
Gina-

I guess I'm hijacking this thread to tell you that, YES, you are in the right place to talk about meds, and Suboxone specifically. As Bmac said, from time to time, we get into fights, and we're actually just having fun with one another-- So don't let that get to you. Most of the "Fighting" is just a release for many of us, and is mostly good natured (even if it doesn't appear that way to a newcomer).



Regarding Suboxone-- It has proven to be an effective alternative to Methadone Maintenance; with the added benefit of your doctor (If he or she has taken the DEA-mandated 8 hour class in prescribing it for addiction) being able to prescribe it in the privacy of his or her office so that you won't have to suffer the "Stigma" of the clinic environment.



I'm sure that many people here can help you regarding your question -- People, Help her out!



Good Luck, Gina-



Jess

by AmberHunter, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Everyone/ginaluv
hey gina!



i saw your post asking if your were in the right place... bickering happens on boards, it can be uncomfortable for those of us who are new and don't really know what is going on...



i hope you keep posting, and if you are interested in joining another forum that i started a few weeks ago give me a shout: ***@****



even though i have the other board i come here everyday and love it here! i started the other forum b/c it is easier to post a question in it!



peace,



amber

by Susie B, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: Kurt Cobain
The other thread filled up, so I thought I'd catch you on this one. You've helped me before with my quest to see my husband thru his Percocet w/d. I think today was about day 22. We have a small business, and share an office. I just found 12 percocet in his drawer that I know weren't there yesterday. I'm trying to decide if I should go home and beat his head against the wall, or just go away for a couple days by myself till I can get grip on the fact that we're not going to see day 23- this time.  Your long disertation has given me something to hold on to. I've printed it out, and when I do go home, I'll show it to him, maybe it will help him hold on a little better.  I guess the depression has just been to much for him. Prosac has helped- but not enough. I know I shouldn't be so angry with him - but I'm so disappointed and heartsick. Thankyou and the others here that make this a little easier.

by motox4fun01, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: COMSICFARTGOAT
So, i see that your website is devoted to Goat ****!

You actually believe that your dead wife is actually just "in the ground"?

Well, I am so sorry that your wife had  someone like you to put up with for 33yrs. I BELIEVE IN GOD ALMIGHTY! Your wife's soul is not in the dirt, it's in Heaven or hell.

YOU MAKE ME SICK!

James

by Expillman, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: James
James, this is about the rhetoric I would expect from a drug addict.  My wife cannot defend herself and is none of your business, just as my religious beliefs or lack thereof are none of your business.  Go get high, low life.

by lisabet, Jun 03, 2003 12:00AM
To: cosmicfartgoat (thanx to motox) :)
Goatman...you REALLY are amazing.  First, you just "pop" into the forum a couple of days ago. Within a day's time, you patronized and bullied many of our long time posters (BMac, Thomas, Mr.Michael, Chezz, etc)....THEN...actually have the nerve to act surprized when they respond to your provoking posts!!!!  You are definitely a piece of work, Mr. Goat, or expillman, or whoever else the hell you are.  As for people not "having a life" except for our little piece of our forum world, it seems more to me that maybe YOU need to get a life, instead of coming into these forums to try to turn things into such a shambles.  OF COURSE, people are going to respond to your bullshit; what do you expect them to do?  Especially our guys on the forum; it's human nature (especially for the male species), to strike back when someone intentionally provokes them. All of the people you've verbally attacked has helped many people (including myself) with their knowledge and kindness.  As of yet, I haven't seen any of these qualities in yourself. Even Hippee, who is the most compassionate and non-confronting person on this forum, saw reason to question your posts. We don't need your bad karma, so Mr. Goat, or expillman, or whoever the hell you post under, I just wish you'd take your cosmic behind back to wherever you came from.  There's people here who is in a lot of legitimate physical and mental pain; we don't need to be distracted by someone like yourself. You've had your fun, so please just go away (far-far away). Lisabet

by bmac, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Lisabet
Right on babe! MrGoat sir will get his due. It sounds to me he is gotten a lot of bad **** going in his life and he thinks by belittling us he makes himself seem so imporatant and so intellegent. He is just another doctor want to be from a pain clinic where most people end up when they can't get a real nursing job(no offense to any other nurses). He has had tragady in his life and he blames God, the one person that he claims never exsisted. Well he will either go away or get banned but like he said he is a hacker(whew, Im proud of that) and he can mess this place up bad. Grownup intellegent man acting like a tennager again. Sad don't cha think!

Well Lisabet you go girl!  Bmac

MrGoat sir, you see you are even runnin' off the women! LOL

                   Bill

by suzieneedshelp, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Susie B.
Hey gal!  You may want to try to call an Al=Anon or Narc Anon program (in the phone book).  It doesnt matter if it is drugs or alcohol..all the same.  They are spouses, sisters, parents, etc of addicts who share their experiences and info on what to do and wut not to do with one another.

Sweetie i admire you so much for your love for your man.

Keep us posted plz,

Love,

Suzie

by peaz, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Bill
Jesus, Bill---I go away for a couple days and leave you to babysit and what happens???!!!!  Don't think for a minute we women are going anywhere......You know me better than that.  LOL  



  Now then.......think it'll rain tomorrow???  :-) Peazella

by Expillman, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Bill
So much for your self control, Bill.  Your imagingry THREE-HEAEDED, Ill-tempered god is going to give me my due?  Also, you have quite an imagination, don't you?  VooDoo Dolls?  Ah, but what would you suspect from who can not control himself. Did you ever think that this lack of self-control might have something to do with your drug habit?

by Kurt Cobain, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Susie B
Hey Susie,



I'm glad I found your post -- been kind of crowded here lately.



Being the drug addict (and consequently the "hider", not the "finder") of substances, I can only relate to how you're feeling after discovering those pills in the way my wife has to me, several times, over the years.  She compared discoveries like yours to the feeling she'd have if she discovered my infidelity with another woman. . .she's even called the various substances (be they alcohol, narcotics, whatever) "the ***** in the Bottle" -- a term I still cringe at, but now, I think, understand a little better as time goes by.



I hope I haven't made this worse, that certainly was not my intent. . .just wanted to present something that may help you identify the awful feeling in your gut you must have had when you made your discovery.



As a former avid pill-hider, though, and just as an aside. . .it doesn't sound to me like your husband was being very careful about hiding his drugs from you.  Believe me, when I was an active addict, if I didn't want something to be found, either in my residence or even on my person, it WOULD NOT BE FOUND.  Addiction is called cunning for good reason -- the addicted brain becomes VERY adept at concealing evidence of drug use, perhaps frighteningly so.  Looking back, I think that the only (few) times my wife ever "found" evidence of my use was when I was very sloppy about concealment.  Actually, it wouldn't be much of a stretch at all to say that deep down, I *wanted* to be caught.  After my last run, I very consciously wanted either to be caught by the law and punished for what I'd done (as I was) or to just go over my body's threshold and just die.  By the end, when I was apprehended, not only did it not matter to me which event happened first, I was almost hoping for death.



Please make sure you care for yourself now. . .as that part of your husband that is now being held captive by his addiction would want you to.  I know of groups such as Al-Anon and Nar-Anon that are specifically designed for those in your situation. . .although I've never been directly involved with them myself.  My prayers are with you both.



Peace,



Kurt

by MethMan, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Expillman
Perhaps your kindled interest in the cause of people's drug habits would be best served if pointed inward.

by twiceain'tnice, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Not darkyet
Wow! You sound great.  Hang in there.  i have three weeks after 20 plus years of everything abuse.  You are doing great!! Love will come to you, now that you are seeing yourself.  About that person starting all that ****.  Perhaps he's trying to fill up all the forums so NO ONE can get help.  Why not ignore this waste of space?

by Susie B, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Kurt C, Suzieneedshelp
Thanks for your support.  Last evening was ugly-for both of us. Think I'm going to take the afternoon off- a diet coke, a box of Russell Stovers and Oprah with Dr Phil should help bring things back into perspective. Then, we'll start again. xoxo

by rodewc, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: ~
Sry for coming in mid-thread; threads fill fast. Maybe this is RLS?? THE achiest aches in the knees, especially at night (for almost a week after quitting).



Deep aches, not leg-jerking. Many of the initial WD symptoms dissipated after the first week. Yet the aches are still about.



I have laid my knees on a (hot) heating pad which alleviates the symptom, but intense heat and a fur blanket (a dog) do not make for a good night's sleep. Neither does the knee ache.



It's not terrible, and given others' probs, it's a minor complaint- when does it go away, if it does?

r-w-c

by AmberHunter, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Everyone/rodewc
i slept in the tub. i am serious, there were nights that i just slept in the tub b/c of the RLS and the achiness... i guess i am lucky i didn't slip under and drown! although at the time i don't think it would have mattered much to me!



it will subside! good luck!!!



amber

by MethMan, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: rodewc
Amber is right. The aches SUCK!  But, it will subside.  Do try the hot baths.  As hot as you can endure without being uncomfortable.

Also, try to get out and walk if you're in good enough shape.  I know you don't feel like doing a thing, but it does make you feel better.

Hot baths are the key.  Get in a tub and live there for a while.

Peace,

Methman

by suzieneedshelp, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Susie B