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ABOUT SUBOXONE ...

by Ginaluv, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
I HAVE RECENTLY IN FEBRUARY DETOXED FROM A METHADONE PROGRAM AFTER BEING ON IT ABOUT 9 YRS. I WENT TO AN ADDICTION DOCTOR. HE DEFINATELY DID THE RIGHT THING GETTING ME OFF THE METH. FIRST HE GAVE ME OXY-COTIN AND SOME KIND OF MORPHINE PATCH FOR ABOUT 3 WEEKS. THEN GAVE ME BUPRENORPHINE SHOTS THAT I HAD TO GIVE MYSELF FOR A COUPLE DAYS. NOW I AM ON SUBOXONE. STARTED WITH A 8MG TABLET A DAY. NOW I AM TAKING A HALF OF A 2MG TABLET( WHICH IS 1 MG.) I CAME THIS FAR FROM BEING ON METHADONE I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF I COULD DETOX OFF THIS 1 MG.

      THANKS, GINA
Member Comments (69)

by mrmichael67, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
That is wonderful that you are doing it the way you are.  Can you break them up into quarters?  Go one step down and then go off from there.  It is a godsend for buprenorphine to be approved for this very use.

by Rdytoquit, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
Just a quick observation about Expillman and the controversy sparked by his posts and opinions.  Personally I enjoyed Mr. Expillman’s posts, he shook the tree! He is obviously an intelligent well read person. Can we afford to chase him off of the page because we do not like his delivery? I would like to continue to read his posts and I will consider his points just as I do  Mr. Thomas’s.  Admit it, we all enjoyed reading Expillmans post on some level! Some of the best messages and humorist posts came shortly after Expillman “shook the tree”.

Sorry about jumping your post...the other was closed, will not happen again..

RTQ...

by SarpyJesse, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Gina
It's great that you've been able to switch from Dolphamine to Buprenorphine. And, Yes- literature, and people who've had to do so indicate that stepping down and then "Off" buprenorphine is much easier than doing so from most other opiates.... Which is why, I assume, that the FDA approved Suboxone for treating addiction.



Good luck!



Jess

by cosmicstargoat, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: rdytoquit
Yes, some of us can take what we want and leave the rest.  I mean, who REALLY gives a goat-damn about the half-life of Methadone vs. Oral Morphine or Levo-Dromorman?

by hippy, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: goat
most of us drug addicts don't need such information,

but there are people here at this fourm with severe

chronic pain issues who do need this type of information.

i have read more then a few poster that have broken backs

some who are wheel chair bound,

we should be grateful that it is not us in that situation,

and at the same time have compassion and respect  for

those in need of such important information.



peace hippy

by Thomas03, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: cosmicgoatboy
"Conclusion: All drug addicts should be imprisioned/executed ..."



So, where do I report for execution? Or is that what all the BBQing is for?



You know an awful lot about narcotics not to be involved with them in some way. What's your story?



Some guy once said "Judge not lest ye be judged." Always made inherent sense to me.



Thomas

by cosmicstargoat, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Thomas


Thomas said:  "Some guy once said "Judge not lest ye be judged."

Always made inherent sense to me. "



I'll be the judge of that.



As far as drugs go, I'm as clean of drugs as my mind is as clear of religious claptrap.  I make it a point to keep myself informed on a wide variety of issues.



Peace, my son.

by mrmichael67, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
Some may need the info about the half lives, but that wasn't the point.  If someone is going to come in here like gangbusters and "talk" down to the board and connect themselves to the American Pain Society, they should make sure their info is correct.  Someone in that type of position wouldn't have done that.  In any other situation, I would not have pointed that out either.

by pepsi4, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Thomas/Expillman
Sorry to interrupt -- the other thread is closed.  



Expillman, I'm very happy for you -- good luck.  However, if you could not taper yourself off of the drugs, you are psychologically dependant.  It seems like you have some other issues that you need to work out -- no big deal, everyone does.



Thomas,

You are a riot, and have been very helpful to many -- don't change.  I agree that if you "don’t make friends with your addict self, it will forever dominate your life".



Peace to all

by Thomas03, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: cosmicstargoat
If you have no involvement with drugs, what are you doing here?



Thomas

by mrmichael67, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: pepsi
I agree with that.  A non addict wouldn't have such a time tapering.

by cosmicstargoat, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Michael
That's quite a logical leap, Herr Michael.  Maybe Pillman could not go though the tapering because he was a caregiver for a wife who died and there was just too much on his plate at the time?



There can be many reasons that an individual does not follow a tapering schedule, but that does that make him an addict.



Tsk, tsk, Michael, what a slipperly slope you have created.  In your quest to trash one who has threatened you little world here, you are reduced to INVENTING ridiculous conclusions that a certain person, a person that you have absolutely no knowledge of other than what has been written in this Forum, is a drug addict.



Medical authority, my ass.

by Thomas03, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: pepsi4
"However, if you could not taper yourself off of the drugs, you are psychologically dependant."



That's an astute observation. I think we all missed that one. I understand that distinguishing dependency from addiction is important to different people for different reasons. For medical practitioners and their chronic pain patients, that distinction allows them access to a means of relieving suffering, a noble end to be sure.



Perhaps if society moved away from its vindictive and hypocritical stance on addiction, it might ease the plight of both the dependent and the addicted.



Thomas

by mrmichael67, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: pepsi
I should re-word that.  A non-addict would most likely not have a hard time tapering.  Multiple times?  Well then, that becomes more compelling.  It really doesn't matter.  But, when one makes such an argument and effort to separate or elevate himself from the others, then I would have to wonder what the deal is.  My last statement wasn't accurate and I had to change that.  Sorry, we are all human.

by cosmicstargoat, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Mikey
Your selective memory is interesting.   Have you sought help for this?  





I remember Pillman stating a philosophy supporting cold turkey, don't you?  Would a strong person's personal views have anything at all to do with how he or she deals with an issue?

by bmac, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: cosmicstargoat
Hey you wanna pick on somebody here, lets play big boy, I got 24/7!   Damn know it alls! Crawl back under that rock you call a life. Oh I love this ****, Im waiting!!!!!!!!

by Chezz2, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Cosmic - are you done yet?
Can we get back to what this forum is for?

There are a lot of people out there that truly need HELP, SUPPORT, AND QUESTIONS answered.

That is what this forum is all about.

Your bashing of Michael is gone well overboard. So do you mind letting us getting back to what this forum si all about? Or do we have to cifer through your posts to find pertanent information regarding addiction and helping others through it?

I would appreciate if you would let us get back to what this forum is all about.

Thanks in advance,

Chezz

by Chezz2, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
My email is

(***@****) if you would like to let me know why we can't continue on with what this forum is intented to do, and what it is all about.

Regards,

Chezz

by cosmicstargoat, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Cheese
Hey, your call.  I'm just "standing up for myself" in some sort of "rite of passage" gauntlet that newcomers are somehow supposed to go through.

by Chezz2, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Cosmic
And for your information. MrM and I do not speak via email or by any other means.

That does not mean I do not respect his knowledge regarding meds nd their uses.

He has helped numerous people here and for that I respect anyone who does that.

Even you if you could do it in a more astute way.

Regards,

Chezz

by SarpyJesse, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: Cosmicstargoat
You passed. Okay everyone, settle down-- It's back to "Happy MedHelp" now.



by bmac, Jun 02, 2003 12:00AM
To: cosmicstargoat