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what are the best non opiate pain medacations to take for addicts.

by hippy, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
i am an addict and have been clean for 13 months , with

help from the folks here at this fourm, and my involvement

with N.A. meetings.

i have  painfull arthritis in both knees, and have rotator

cuff operation on both shoulders, these problems flare up with pain now and then.

right now i am suffering from severe pain in my elbow ,

do to possible tennis elbow, this started last augest.

At that time i got a steroid injection which seemed to deal with the problem, except all the pain came back about 2 months

ago i have had to take off from my union construction painting

job for the last 3 weeks . Hopeing that rest would help, it has not. I have been prescribed celebrex, it has done nothing for the paini have tried motrin , it has been no help.

i go to see the ortho doctor friday morning. i was wondering

if there is any pain medacation i should ask for .

My sister inlaw is a doctor and has told me i should have it put in a cast, , because the doctor is probly going to just give me another injection.

at age 43  it seem i do not heal as well as i used to,

i was thinking of asking for some kind of therapy program to

streng then the arm.

The pain has been very bad in the morning, i cannot even hold a cup of coffee, or the phone.

any suggestions, about a good medacation would be helpfull,

along with any other helpfull ideas.



peace!!!!!!!!hippy
Member Comments (53)

by SarpyJesse, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippy
Hey--



I'd say to you to take Ultram (Being the most effective non-opiate pain reliever) --However, we all know what tramadol turns into in the hands of the likes of us.



Even though it's not suggested, I've had to take mega-doses of ibuprofen before, and it seems to work in those high doses. I'm talking about 1000-1600 milligrams. I know that it is far less toxic than taking tons of tylenol, and the "Prescription" version of Ibuprofen comes in 800 milligram pills- So I can't imagine that doctors would be worried if someone were to take 1600 milligrams in one dose. THAT was the ONLY drug I found (Non-Opiate) that could even touch pain. I've tried big doses of Bextra, and a couple other of the "New" pain relievers mixed with muscle relaxers, and they just don't work for intense pain.



Hope that helps....... And I still don't trust a hippy who's only 40. (they never trusted anyone over 30-- remember?) Just kidding, longhair. I probably had longer hair than you ever did, and I'm only thirtysomething.



Jess

by hippy, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: jess
thanks jess,

i have taken ultram , did not abuse it , it worked

a little.

being a hippy is about love, sorta like the good samaritin



peace ! and love  !hippy

by Expillman, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee
Hippy, Ultram is an opioid and the package insert states that it should not be used in individuals who have had previous opioid dependency.



Have you exhausted therapeutic doses of several NSAID drugs?  



These are drugs like aspirin and ibuprofen and they work surprisingly well, as well as codeine in some cases if they are dosed properly and dosed to effect.  There are many, many alternatives and [don't throw things at me] but I am knowledgeable about this class of drugs.  They do not cause dependency and tolerance does not build up with this class of drugs.  There are even alternatives if you have active peptic ulcer disease.



Let me know.

by Huiler, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Expillman
What are the "many alternatives" that you refer to (what you said right after saying that Aspirin and Ibuprophen are good)?

Thanks

by hippy, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: expillman
i have had some small results with aceamtaphine extra strength,

i have had no results with asprin.

i have used ultram and ultracet,  the only thing i found it good for  was withdrawls from vikes and perc's.

i really don't like the way ultram makes me feel.

so i never got hooked on it.

thanks for your input.



peace  hippy

by lisabet, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee
Hi, my peaceful hippee boy.  Have you ever tried "Aleve" (naproxen)?  You take one every 12 hours.  My girlfriend swears by it; says it's the only thing that helps her back pain. I also remember reading on the DA forum that Judy (Dancin') tried Advil gel-tabs and was surprized how effective they are.  Hope you can find something to help.  Love, Lisabet

by Expillman, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee
OK, acetaminophen is not a NSAID and can damage your liver in high enough doses.  



I'm talking about a good, round the clock dose of ibuprofen 2400-3200 mg. or equivalent.  Have you ever tried this sort of regimen.  In the cancer clinic we used NSAIDs a lot in conjunction with oral morphine, especially Trilisate (choline magnesium trisalicylate) because it did not affect blood platelet aggregation.



Work with your doctor on this.  Do you have any GI problems?

by Chezz2, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee/Expillman
Sorry to hear you are still having pain with your arm. I remember when you went and got the shot last time.

Motrin or ibuprofen has shown not to be therapudic after 800mg x3 a day. I take it constantly for my back pain in conjunction with the narcotics. I also switched it out with naproxen every couple of months to see if helps. It seems to do a little. So it might be a good choice.

My doc and I just talked on Monday about other meds to add to my regimen since I won't go up on the narcotic pain meds, yet my tolerance has gone up and they aren't working as well. He suggested something called Depokote. I am not sure about it. Might be something to look up.

I think Vioxx is another alternative like celebrex.

Sorry, but that is all I can think of in terms of Non-narcotic stuff. You might have to take some vicodin or eq. for a little bit to help on the real bad days.

Don't EVER force yourself to live with pain. It just isn't right.



Expillman - I heard you had a website, I was wondering if you could post it, I wanted to check it out.



Thanks,

Chezz

by AmberHunter, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
having chronic pain and exhausting every drug known to man and a few only known to women i have to say my vote is for a good dose of ibuprophen... 800 mg. is motrin, i haven't exceeded that amount myself...



i have a chronic pain condition but i won't bore you with all the details... pain is pain... i am on a SSRI which helps how i perceive the pain, at least i believe it does...



other than that i just don't know... narcotics do have there place but i think i know you better than that the short time i have been here...



peace,



amber

by Chezz2, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee/Expillman
Sorry to hear you are still having pain with your arm. I remember when you went and got the shot last time.

Motrin or ibuprofen has shown not to be therapudic after 800mg x3 a day. I take it constantly for my back pain in conjunction with the narcotics. I also switched it out with naproxen every couple of months to see if helps. It seems to do a little. So it might be a good choice.

My doc and I just talked on Monday about other meds to add to my regimen since I won't go up on the narcotic pain meds, yet my tolerance has gone up and they aren't working as well. He suggested something called Depokote. I am not sure about it. Might be something to look up.

I think Vioxx is another alternative like celebrex.

Sorry, but that is all I can think of in terms of Non-narcotic stuff. You might have to take some vicodin or eq. for a little bit to help on the real bad days.

Don't EVER force yourself to live with pain. It just isn't right.



Expillman - I heard you had a website, I was wondering if you could post it, I wanted to check it out.

You also said you were very familiar with NSAIDS, is there any NAMES you can give Hippee so he can tell his doc. NSAIDS is kind of general and coveralls all the drugs I have listed and more. Thanks for your help here. That is what is great about having someone with 20 years medical experience here.



Thanks,

Chezz

by Chezz2, Jun 04, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee
Hippee,



BTW - The Depokote is the in the same field as Neurontin. It has some pain