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drug addiction and emotioal and mental maturity

by hippy, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
my question is, how much does drug addiction early in life

stunt one's emotional and mental maturity.

Im thinking of a line in N.A. that says grow up or die.

Also  being around addicts most of my life , the one's who have not addressed the issue of growing up,  seem to be stuck

around the age of 16 around when they started useing to escape life.It seems to me two big things most drug addicts have in common

is the propensity to be immature and irrsponsible.

it seems like we missed the boat growing up when we were supposed to learning how to be mature and responsable.

Along with getting clean , it would seem to serve us well

to incorparate these two things into our lives.

So many of us have been so irrsponsable to the point of

destroying our lives,and famly's, by spending all our money on drugs.

there are a lot of other things we do that fall into this

type of selfish selfcentered behavior.

I have seen the doctor here at this fourm talk about cognitive

therapy, which i think is about being aware of oneself and making mature changes.

My experence in dealing with the 12 steps is simalar

they taught me to take a honest look at myself , beginning

with the fact that i started out with a lot of denial and

the blaming of others for my problems, i no longer do that.

I would think that if i did i would continue to relaps back to

useing drugs as an escape from the emotional pain this type of

life style brings with it. might the doctor have a small list

of  behaviors that we could incorparate into our lives that

would help us avoid relaps once clean.



Member Comments (52)

by bmac, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee/Everyone
I have been getting high since I was 13. So yes being young effects whether you have a mark on you in adulthood. I started with beer then pot then cocaine then percodans then K4's then well you see the point here. In 1989 I became a pain patient and this continued but with doctors watching over me. I take my drugs/meds as prescribed and I always will test negative for other things not approved of my doc. I have never been to a AA or a NA meeting but I know of the plan and if it works, thank God! I know that it is OK for me to be on these Drugs and I trust my doc more than anyone now. Whether you are in AA/NA or just doing it thru a doc, being real and true to yourself is most important in any ones life. Being a good person comes in alot of different packages and I for one love that each one of us is different. May God Bless you all!  Bill  (bmac)

by doner, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: bmac/anyone
The part in your post about being honest with your dr. caught my eye. Im coming off methadone(its been a long but successful road so far)Recently I have been very depressed/angry/paranoid. Especially paranoid.Wont eat wont leave the house that kinda stuff. My boyfriend has been keeping things together since I have been in this state.(about 2 wks)Anyway back to my question.I do not have legit pain and abused pills recreationally. My boyfriend took me to a dr. Friday stating that he is afraid for my life. I told the dr. how I felt anxious,paranoid, depressed(had an actual panic attack in his office) but I didnt mention the part about my drug abuse for fear he would send me to detox.I came too far on my own to get sent away from my kids for 28 days. He diagnosed me with panic disorder and depression and gave me paxil and xanax which I have chosen not to take.Did I make a mistake in not telling him about my drug abuse? Any replies would be appreciated.Thank you

by bmac, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: doner
No, you where smart. I am only honest with the one doc I trust. He knows everything. I am a pot smoker and two months ago I was kicked out of a pain docs clinic because I kept testing positive for pot well since then I am back with the old pain doc and he doesn't care if I use pot or not because it keeps me from taking more meds. Once you find someone you can trust be open but in your sistuation you might need those xanax's, as for the paxal I don't take anti depressants, in my opinion they are BS. I get depressed when I take them. If you need to vent, vent on babe. We are always here for you!  BMAC

by mrmichael67, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
The only difference telling that doc would have made is you being prescribed meds with less abuse potential.  Instead of the xanax, maybe he would give you trazadone (at least for sleep).  That is about the only thing that would have accomplished.  Having the xanax handy for when you might need them is good.

by pepsi4, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee/bmac/Everyone
I know what you mean about some addicts appearing to have "stunted" mental and emotional personalities.  But I've seen that sort of behavior in people who didn't become addicts until they were "adults".  I can't imagine what it would be like to be an addict at 14 or 15 years old -- just the thought scares me.  I guess anyone who becomes an addict while they are still growing will be immature to some degree -- it makes sense  



Personally, I knew I had substance abuse problems years ago -- I'd go years at a time with abusing anything, but I never let myself think "gee, I've gone through school, have a great job, great spouse (once I married), great friends -- so I must not have a problem like those "other people".  Self-acceptance is really key -- my DOC was alcohol -- I struggled with it off and on for years -- when I finally really accepted myself, the alcohol was no longer a problem



The one concept I REALLY don't understand is how any addict can not KNOW that they have a problem -- you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.  I understand people not wanting to admit it, but I've heard people insisting they don't have a problem, and can tell that they really believe that they don't.  I just don't get it…. Can someone explain that to me?



In any case, the important thing is to get off of the stuff -- and however you do it successfully is the way to do it.  Sorry, guess I'm kind of rambling here..



Bmac, what are K4's, btw?



Peace to all -- thanks for being here

by southernbelle, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: Hippee,Everybody
regarding your post....to me, that was always a conflicting thing.  the pills seem to help me BE responsible, not irresponsible.  i'm able to function with them...i pay all my bills, take care of my man and my daughters...i don't know it's crazy.  i din't start using until my mid-twenties when i had several surgeries.  then i had my wreck recently and hurt my neck really bad.  now i'm dealing with oxycontin, which i feel is nothing but the devil.

it's so good to be back here.  i hope nobody has lost faith in me.  i am so sorry i failed and haven't gotten better.  the best word i could use to describe this place is COMFORT.  it just helps in so many ways.

we've all said it before, and we've all been there before, but this time, for me -- it's SERIOUS.  i don't have insurance anymore, no choice but to w/d.  i've got almost twenty 20 mg oxycontins left, and after that --- i'll have to detox here at home.  i don't know why, but i'm more afraid than ever before.  god, i'm so scared.  maybe its because this time i know it's for real and final.  but, it's a relief that i don't have to worry about work anymore.  i can w/d and not have to worry about calling in sick or what my boss will think.  maybe i should be glad - it's finally happening and i'll be free!

i've rambled too much already.  i love you all.  my email is ***@**** if anybody would like to email me some encouragement (OR IF YOU NEED ENCOURAGEMENT - we're all in this together!)  LOVE YOU ALL!

by southernbelle, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: bmac
what are k-4's?  just wondering....

by bmac, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: K4's
K4s are dilaudid(sp?) on the pill it had a crooked k and a 4 for 4 mgs I guess sorry I didn't explain.

by southernbelle, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: bmac
thank you --- just didn't know.

by jack daniels, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: southernbell
hang in there...you can do it...

by southernbelle, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: Jack, everybody
thanks, Jack.  You are a sweetie, truly.  

it's going to be tough, but i know i can do it.  everybody (including you, jack) -- please tell me it won't kill me to w/d from oxy.  no health conditions that would interfere or anything like that, i'm just scared.  tell me it won't kill me.  i know it sounds silly, i know it does.  tell me i can do it.  my willpower and strenght are **** this time.

by jack daniels, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: southernbelle
it's ok ...YOU CAN DO IT...IT WILL NOT KILL...i'm clean 6 days now and it is wonderfull!!!!  go for it..email me if you need me..i'm here...GOOD LUCK...IT ONLY LAST 2 OR 3 DAYS...JUST GO FOR IT!!

by bmac, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: southernbelle
Hey I cold turkey'd methadone and Morphine so It ain't goona kill you. You might feel like dying but it ain't gonna kill you.

My email address is posted all over this forum so if it gets too tuff email me, I am up all the time. I am a vampire, I never sleep (yeah right)! There are things you can do before hitting an ER at the hospital. Take care! Bmac in Bama

by jack daniels, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
WHAT THE HELL HAVE WE GOT OUR SELFS INTO...GOD BLESS US ALL....

by mrmichael67, Jun 08, 2003 12:00AM
To: southernbelle
You mentioned your neck