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Use of buprenex in detox

by wannabclean, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
Ive used hydrocodone for three years averaging 150mg/day. In the last 3 months I've quit xanax,valium,soma,sleep aids and cigarettes.  I'm on day 7 with no hydro, I'm taking .324mg buprenex twice a day and feel pretty good. Tuesday is my last day, will I still feel the the full w/d of hydro or will the buprenex have gotten me thru the worst of it? Any and all input is appreciated.
Member Comments (49)

by suzieneedshelp, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Everyone and Thomas
Sorry to break this thread but there is no where to post.  As to the topic... It seems that more time on the bup may be needed but i would ask a DOc not me!

Thomaskins!  I miss you!!!!!!!!  

Hugs...

Suzie

by wannabclean, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
Its really a non-issue since I will be out on Wednesday regardless.  I really feel after a couple of weeks reading here that this will be the time i quit.  Its pretty amazing the number of people sharing actual experiences and offering support to one another.  I hope to be able to post my triumph over this devil named hydro as others recently have.  I am scared as hell of Wednesday, but I know as time passes, it will get better, it just sucks when the present is so miserable.

by KimH, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
wannabeclean, I like that! great name, but you know you'll have to change it to just beclean one day! I have used it to detox and had success. Of course there could be a chance you will feel crapy, but it will take a day or two for that to leave your system as well. So that could be ten days. My guess is the worst will definitly be over! Besides, You kicked all that other stuff right? I'd say your pretty strong and if you got through that, you will get through this as well. I'm detoxing too, and so are so many others. I haven't slept for two weeks! I sleep two to three hrs a night and my doc said just deal with it. I wish there was a chat room, I would be available 21-22 hrs a day (exept a small nap). Is there anything I can do besides jump out a window? I tried over the counter sleep aids. Any suggestions? Please? wannabeclean, I think you can do this! and stop worrying about tuesday because you may work yourself up mentaly to convince yourself you will feel like ****. YOUR GONNA BE FINE! and if you do feel a little crapy, you got over a week head start into it, so how much longer? YOU CAN DO IT! YOU CAN DO IT!hell, I'll do it with you! I don't know if your spiritual, but I talk to God. I pray and ask him how long I'll feel like ****. And ask if he might help me push it along some. your on the right track! KimH

by thetxhartclan, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Detoxing from hydro
I am one of the many.  I am on a decreasing taper, but fell off of the taper last week.  It all just went to hell.  I can only blame the person in the mirror, but then pick myself up, dust myself off, and get my ass back on my taper.  I want to be rid of this ****.  I am a great mom and wife, but I know the hydro affects all aspects of my life and I want it gone!  



Rebecca

by vikequeen, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
Sorry to break the above thread but I have a Q,

has anyone gained weight on hydros or percs? I have gained close to 30 lbs in almost 2 yrs and a year prior to that I was already working with an extra 30 from the baby, Some people like matthew perry and a GF of mine lose weight on these? why am I so unlucky?

Coke that was a diff story in my teens and early 20's I did a lot of coke and stayed small now these painkillers are making me a whale, anyone else have this problem? I can't afford to gain anymore love to all Badd

by mrmichael67, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: badd
I have a serious sweet tooth on opioids....especially methadone, but also the others as well.  I gained about the same amount as you did.

by terter, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Badgirl/all
Yes I gained 20 pounds not at first but the last 6 months or so.

I quit Ultram first then Hydro on 5/11 i recently relapsed and confessed to my husband, Soooo here I go again, I am taking darvecette to taper, My husband is going to try and find a doctor to help me through this, but I feel so impatient. The Darvocette doesnt give me a high but it holds off sleep problems and runs I still have no energy and depressed. I have been taking Elival 25mg since 5/11 and will keep taking it. Can anyone give advice on what I should stay away from the last thing I want is a new addiction, I am going to the health store to find L-Tyrosine. I cant believe after all I went through I'm doing this again........ Ter

by Huiler, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Terter
Just a comment: As far as Elavil is concerned, 25 mg is not very much. I used to take it years ago and took more. I just looked it up in a pill book, and it says that doctors might start a person on 75 mg a day in 2 doses. They might increase this to 150 mg a day. They usually don't prescribe more than 200 mg a day. and "For long term use, the usual dose ranges from 40 mg to 100 mg a day usually at bedtime." but maybe you looked this up yourself already. Good luck getting through it! Hope you get some good advice from the others1

H.

by Huiler, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Mrmichael67 or someone
What is Buprenex? Is it Buprenorphine? How does it help a detox? How long do you stay on it to detox?

Thanks

H.

by SarpyJesse, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: huiler
In answer to your question:



Yes, Buprenex is Buprenorphine. Buprenex is the injectable form of Buprenorphine and comes in ampules containing .3 milligrams (300 Micrograms). The usual dosage is one ampule every 8 hours (or 3 inter-muscular shots per day). Unlike Subutex, and Suboxone, Buprenex is NOT usually prescribed for addiction as it can be easily abused by not being used as directed. Buprenex was the first form of Buprenorphine approved by the FDA in the United States, and is used as an analgesic (pain reliever). It is mostly used in pain management in the elderly because of its unique property of NOT depressing the already taxed respiratory systems of older individuals. It is used in place of drugs like Morphine Sulfate that could possibly kill a senior citizen without the close supervision of a physician.



Hope that info helps-



Jess

by mystere, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: mrmichael67/Everyone
I have a question about all of the pharmacies being nationally linked--Are you telling me that EVERY pharmacy in America is linked together via a "super computer" and a pharmacist from a Wal-Mart has acccess to my records even though I had my scripts filled at a local Mom & Pop pharmacy?  I know some of the national chains--Walgreens for instance are all linked together (nationally)  But I find it hard to believe that a Wal-Mart Pharmacy can access the medical records of a patient doing business with say an Eckard's pharmacy--Also as of April 14, 2003 strick new privacy guidelines have been implemented known as (HIPAA) with regard to a patients' right to privacy and the release of medical information and who has access to this information--All medical facilities including pharmacies are required to follow HIPAA guidelines--I agree that rx fraud is illegal and I am by NO MEANS promoting the use of multiple docs or pharmacies--but to tell you the truth the thought of my name popping up in every pharmacy computer in America with a list of ALL OF THE MEDICATION that I have ever been given is a little farfetched--But then again nothing would surprise me!  I also know that ALL schedule II drugs (Oxycodone/Oxycontin/Dilauded/ect) are more tightly controlled that the schedule III--(Vicoden/Lortab/Darvocet)--Anyway if anyone else has info on this please let me know--Is Big Brother Really Watching?--Peace/Prayers--Mystere



Anne

by Huiler, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: SarpyJesse
Thank you for your very thorough and useful response! Do you also know how it is used in helping people detox from opiates? Thanx.

H.

by wannabclean, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: kimh/hulier
Kim-

What an awesome post. I've printed it and hope to use it when I begin feeling horrible (thats if I begin feeling horrible, the positive thinking thanks to you!) Today I feel o.k. and thats what I'm focusing on now instead of worrying about Wednesday.  I glad to have someone helping who going thru the same w/d's and is as determined as myself to quit.  As far as sleeping aids I've found that being off soma,resteril,ambien,xanax(horrible w/d from xanies!)etc., my sleep is so much better, the only problem is no more sleeping in, I'm up by 7 and can't go back so I try to be in bed by12 or 1.  On nights I need a good night sleep I take benadryl.  I'm praying for you too and hope to continue hearing from you.

Hulier-

The buprenex has been fantastic for the first week in aleviating the w/d's to a very managable point. I know very well from experience the first week is hell. Keep reading in the coming days and I'll let you know how it is the second week w/o. Also I found a great sight that lists Drs. in your area that perscibe a new oral form call Suboxone. If things get real bad I got the names of two in my area that treat opiate addiction, more specifically perscription pain meds addicted patients. samhsa.gov  Type buprenex in the search box. Lots of good info.

by wannabclean, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: thetxhartclan
I too am a parent (boy and a girl) and know full well the **** called hydrocodone.  I've tried MANY times to quit so there is nothing to be ashamed of in falling off the wagon. Tapering is just not an option for me, I get down to 5 or 6 and I'm right back to 15-20 a day so cold turkey using buprenex was the only way for me. I hope my previous post helps you and that you can be free from those things because they do take over your life, I know they did mine. Good luck.

by dancinginthedark, Jun 16, 2003 12:00AM
To: Mystere Anne
While I spent 10 yrs. in the US & have only been back in Cda for about 5-6, here there is a nat'l d-base. I should say, it might be provincial but our provinces are HUGE so you'd have to take your dogsled on a year long voyage to get to another province.



Here's how it works for ANY scrip.  If it's a 1st time scrip for you at pharm, pharmacist needs to see your Medical Card, which every citizen has for our free not-alwsys-very-helpful med. care.  (Oh, my evil twin!)  You also need to produce picture ID, like a DL & everything including your brassiere size is input in the computer.



For EVERY scrip to be filled, including folic acid, pharm. slams info onto the computer for approval which usually takes secs.  However, if you're a day early, or another doc has prescribed it - OO, they will not fill it, except if it's my synthroid & only if pharmacist really knows me. (Needless to say, they DO!) I'd already figured out as much but my neuro prescribed me my fiorinal as my GP was out of town so I didn't see any prob.  PROB.  I was so mortified!  Also, only your GP can prescribe meds.  Here, to see a specialist you must be referred by GP & wait 18-24 mos. (no ****, in most cases) to see said specialist.  If it's urgent, he will write your short-term scrip & pops off a ltr to your GP who is then in charge of your meds.



Pharm. are even more anal about controlled substances, narcotics etc. I think that's why I had the prob with the F that time.



I'm certain there must be a way around this but I've never been motivated enuf to try & probably even more scared.  It's just not a line I could ever cross.



I can only figure if the Canadians are smart enuf to figure this out, I'd imagine the Americans are, to say the least!  Undoubtedly, in your country, privacy issues are undoubtedly still being bandied about, diff. insurance co.'s can add to complicating factors & with so many states with differing regulations (I know F is a nothing drug in Tx but VERY everything in almost every other state) it must be very complicated to coordinate.  But we all know what computers can do so I don't doubt these days are somewhat upon you & will  eventually arrive.



And of course, many "civil liberties" & privacy issues have gone the way of thee hula hoop since 9/11.  They've got the access to virtually everything now.



Mind you, what I love & miss about you Yanks is how creative & resourceful you are so I havve NO doubt you'll work your way around the system!



Anne, I wouldn't panic.  You're not like some skank who is filling multiple scrips to sell on the street.  If I were in charge, those would be my 1st targets.  If they EVER get to you, which I highly doubt, you'll have been so long serfectly pober they'll yawn & close your file.



Stay the course, Miss Anne!  You are doing SO great!



Best always,



Judes



by bmac, Jun 17, 2003 12:00AM
To: Sorry to break in!
I had a procedure on my low back and shoulder today, it hurt!

But for only a few minutes until the drugs took effect, thank God for meds and without sounding cruel how do you 12 steppers and AA/NA guys do this when you cant take as much as a lortab