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thomas recipe

by RbSwea57, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
Tags: Addiction
I seen on here something called the Thomas Recipe Could some one tell me what that is and what all vitamins is in it
Member Comments (39)

by jack daniels, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: hippee / everyone
Outstanding advice I have done everything on there and have made it to day 20. Today I feel very good. The only problem is I still don't have enough energy hope it will pass. I know I don’t work out enough but I will start. And I can’t say enough about getting lots of support, it’s a very big factor in getting clean and staying clean…. Jack

by miko, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
I started the Thomas recipe yesterday. Today will be day 1 of NO pain pills. I feel okay with the muscle aches & am feeling pretty peppy as of right this moment but my kidneys are killing me. Does anyone know if taking this much of vitamins/minerals/etc. can make the kidneys suffer? Or is it just another extremely painful withdrawal symptom? This really hurts & I know it's the kidneys but I WILL NOT go to the dr...don't have the willpower not to ask for pain meds yet.

by skipper, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: Miko
miko:

i've never had any kidney trouble from taking vitames or amino acids. what you are probably feeling is muscle spasm in the low to mid back. this is one of the first symptoms of "jones" coming to visit. either baclofen (a neuro muscle relaxer) or a benzo such as valium, or both preferably. to be on the safe side, monitor your body temp for mid to high grade fever. w/d causes a slightly elavated body temp in some people, so if your temp is only slightly up, just keep an eye on it and do'nt worry. when jones comes to visit, he isn't going to bring along anthing to "feel good about!" that will be up to you! best of luck and god's speed....

keep an angel on your shoulder

kip

by miko, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
Is there anything other than benzos I can take for this? Like I said, I don't want to go to the doc. I know I can do this. I've done it before, only this time, I'm doing it by choice.

by hippy, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: miko
lower back pain and kidney pain are normal

when you are just getting clean.

hot baths and a heating pad will help.

peace!!!!!!!!!!!

by hippy, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: miko
hot decaf green tea might help.

drink lots of liquids.

try to stay away from coffee, it will dehydrate you and may cause kidney pain.

by Susie B, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: Everyone-FYI
L-tyrosine is available at GNC in 1000mg tabs. Its a few less pills to swollow so early in the A.M. :)

by jack daniels, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: Everyone/ anyone /all
what will L-tyrosine do for you? How will it help?

by hippy, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: jd
L-tyrosine will help with depression,

it will also give you energy and help get you natraul endorphines back on like so you can start feeling normal.

when you take during week 1 of withdrawls which is very difficult and painfull the l -tyrosine sorta buffers out the pain so it is tolerable.



for anyone who has tried to go cold turkey with out the receipe,

they know how hard it is, and then when you go cold turkey with the receipe you can notice the vast difference.

the receipe for me made it possible to go cold tukey, where as

in the past without it , i had no sucess.

when taking the l-tyrosine you may want to ajust it , and take less.

i still take it , it helps with energy and pain.

by AlexisInTx, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
I've been taking the L-Tyrosine for the last two mornings with a B-Complex pill that contains Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate), and the difference is amazing.  I haven't taken any Hydro for 1 week now, but I have taken 3 .02 sublingual buprenorphine pills per day, scaled down to 1 per day now, so I think it's time I stop them.  



Thomas's recipe is exactly what my I needed to feel more human and energetic.  There is some information about L-Tyrosine @ http://www.thewayup.com/products/0094.htm - that's where I purchase my amino acids/vitamins/minerals.  



Also, I have recently read a very inspirational story about a man who had to deal with H withdrawal - it's helped me immensely, as has this forum.  http://www.acay.com.au/~narcosis/skinofteeth.htm



Also, I plan on getting some Sinemet.  Mirapex is also another medicine for RLS (I have only heard of this, so this may not be as helpful as Sinemet).

by jack daniels, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: AlexisInTx
Thanx for the info..20 days clean today, but I miss the energy the pills would give me.....Jack in Texas

by Thomas03, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: jack daniels, miko
re: L-Tyrosine [reposted]:



If you're doing a cold turkey detox off opiates such as Vicodin, wait until the more gross symptoms -- sweats, cramps, nausea, runs -- have stopped before using the L-Tyrosine. The thinking is this: In addition to dopamine, L-Tyrosine is metabolized into norepinephrin -- brain adrenalin. This works against your efforts to sedate yourself to ride out the initial withdrawal symptoms.



After acute withdrawal has abated, you're going to feel like a rancid mop -- total lack of physical, mental and emotional energy -- because of your dopamine, norepinephrin and endorphin (natural morphine) deficits. It's at this time that the L-Tyrosine with B6 will help you bring your own ass back to life.



Take a sufficient dose, and you'll feel the difference in less than 1 hour. And I mean really feel it -- not a placebo effect "feel-better" but an undeniable kick in the ass. If you're coming off a tall habit and feel absolutely brain dead, 3000 to 4000 mgs will lift the fog in 30 to 40 minutes. It's quite dramatic the first time you experience it. It's not like a caffeine wire, but more of a sudden clearing of the mind and a flood of confidence and optimism -- and physical energy.



It's this physical energy from L-Tyrosine that you need to put to work to get out of the house and into some kind of light aerobic activity, such as fast walking, bicycling, lap swim (or stair master and cross-country ski machine) -- whatever you can man



Miko: get some 5-HTP at the health food store. Take two at a time for sedation and sleep. It's safe and effective. It's not as effective as a benzo, of course, but it will help more than other OTC solutions.



Thomas

by skipper, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: miko
miko:

i wrote this doing a opiate detox a year or so ago...for what ever it's worth....



coming along with jones



five days of rain and and all the other

stuff that always comes along with jones.

damp basements and bup 'but i

don't know where it's at or ever even was...



all i know is if you go far enough

along, and it's usually real soon enough too.

it will hit me in the guts, after watching

me from the basements shadows.



yeah it's been watching me, learning

carefully of my every fear and weakness- and

then it's five days of rain and all the other

stuff that comes along with jones!



keep an angel on your shoulder

kip

by KimH, Jun 22, 2003 12:00AM
To: Miko
I don't know what kind of kidney pain your talking about but if it's a thing where it hurts when you tinkle, or feel like you still have to, get some peridium. It's stuff to take for symptoms of a urinary track infection,or a kidney infection. It will numb your kidney and bladder. You get them at the pharmacy over the counter. It REALLY REALLY HELPS! Trust