how do you know how someone else feels in their lives...YOU DONT.....

something no one has control over...I hope you see that...because actions like htat can take an addict out..

Guess that's why they say women with women and men with men...because they are different in recovery

Marc if your girl..sorry but htis is my point of view....and my opinion as I have been in and around the rooms for 15 years now...

Thankyou for you words...

Your second post was the one that I respect.....when you re-read it I mean read it ...it is an addict talking.........

I wish the best for her I really do......but she is in big trouble and I hope she has some kind of suport in her life to help her.......

but she is in big trouble and so is the unborn child.......

I am not judging her by any means I did some insane things when I was in full blown addiction it is the nature of the beast......
Sometimes I learned that truth has to be present for recovery and to shock the addicts cognitive brain........

well, that is very true.  i kinda wanted to quit, but i went back to my old therapist last friday, and when i told her and saw the horror in her eyes, it actually was the shock I needed.  so you are very right...

that woman clearly wasn't ready to hear any of it.  i hope soon she will...

-mj

I think you guys are being highly judgemental..
How do you know how someone is feeling..You beach other day just admitted to me that you couldnt figure me out after all these months...and look where I am today? I mean...jeez..........What if what if...
Regardless someone came here for help....even if they are STILL USING.....We reach out our hands..Beach you of all people should know that.......Considering your N.A background...You will also know that everyone travels their own speed...and goes thru their own things in life...and WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE...........If I knew people were judging me so harshly I dont know if I would want to come back..Which is sad....

Addicts can sound in any shape whilethey are using..but if they have a desire to stop....then that's all you can ask for..some people use the system and so be it..some people still sell, lie, cheat and steal..its a way of life..but its a process for EVERYONE..........

Maybe if it were someone that was here for a long time..We can give htem a swift kick in the ass and say WAKE UP..........however she just got here and is trying to plant her own feet..

Thats my take on it.............
I hope you pray you won't be so judgemental....cuz if you were judged harshly..........How would you feel?
Happy Thoughts and Prayers
Love
C

mom2rachie
6/14/2007
C11  NneedHope PLEASE READ I hope you read this... hydrocodone IS safe during pregnancy in small doses and the baby will NOT suffer wihdrawals if stopped a month or so BEFORE delivery BUT even in the worst case scenario, if you weren't able to stop, they can treat the withdrawl symptoms if they know about it.
Suboxone and Subtex are NOT approved dring pregnancy yet at all so it's not wise to tell her to do that AND going c/t is extremely DANGEROUS for the baby as it will cause the mother's body to react insuch a stressful way it could very easily cause a miscarriage.
Beach, I respect your posts and 99.9% of the time I agree but you cannot simply dish out your generic "you're an addict, stop and get help now" speech to everyone... this situation, however sad, is a little different.
Perhaps she should just get through this pregnncy and then try and deal with the underlying issues of why she is abusing the medication afterwards.
Sweetheart, try and wean down. I don't know how many you're taking but less is best. Be honest with your doctors and take care of you.
Just so you know.... I was prescribed vicodin and percocet throughout my entire pregnancy by a nationally renowned pero-natal specialist. I manaed to wean down to nothing beforemy last trimester. My daughter was and is very healthy and smart.
Best of luck to you.

And Marcatj... How Dare You???
"this isn't just your life you are f***ing with - it's a childs!"
We've all done things in our addiction we are not proud of. I'd like to see you post about all the f-ed things you've done?? This woman came for help and you judge her? Sh eis not intentionaly hurtin her baby. She came because she does not want to do so. We all know that the addict loses their option for rational choice at one point or another. if someone sid to her, "take these pills and take a chance of hurting your unborn child or stop now" do you think she would consciously continue to take the pills?
Seriously people, if you live in a glass house...............

You guys are soooo harsh!!! I think she knows very well that she 's got to quit.

She was just looking support(UNCONDITIONAL)!!!

I bet if this was one of you regulars here posting that ?, it would have been totally different.

I could almost feel how hurt must have been.....sad......sad......sad

Just my opinion, and how i observed it.

I also see , when a newby posts a ? and one of you respond and then you start talking among youself and seem yo just ignore the one who was asking for help..

I don't mean to be harsh. buttt.......

I do get alot of good advice from alot of the posts here, but i do see alot of (well not a loott) but some neg. stuff or something like that, just can't seem to describe what the negativeness is ...uhmmmmmm?

It was very judgmental!!!

hmm.. maybe scratch my earlier email.

i reread her post.. it really didn't sound like she wants to stop.

bummer... :-(