The one thing that was misinterpreted from my words (Honesty-the most important part of staying in recovery) is that I am judgemental......
I believe it is being Judgemental..Because in all reality...We dont know what a person needs...They come here, ask for help and get advice...FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE......

Oxy I don't know you, how can I?

I think we do get to know things about each other.......I feel I have gotten to know you to some degree..and I have honoured alot of what you say and try to practice it in my way of life..To some degree...

What I do understand about many people here is being an addict and cognitive thinking results from being an addict.....

We also have to understand that even if we are addicts...That the information we give to one another is solid and really try to give OPTIONS......and for someone that is pregant and on pills...REGARDLESS SHOULD TAPER...YOU CAN KILL A BABY THAT WAY.....Ask ANY DOCTOR...........Ive lost my own children threwout my life..and I know as a women HOW THAT FEELS....FROM YOU STOMACH NOT EVEN A BABY TO LOOK AT ....ONCE....

Oxy since I have been reading your posts over the months you have been like a roller coaster at times......

Of course Im on a roller coaster...Thats a part of recovery...no matter what.......and yes I have my up and down moments..yet I walk thru them, being honest with myself and the people around me..Sometimes that honesty has come hard and I didnt want to face it and would try to avoid but the end result have been things that happen in my every day life...to what happens in the future and the past....

If you would like to have this forum about addicts telling war stories and getting pats on the back for tapering by cutting down from 20 percs a day to 10 a day I'll leave those posts alone and not busts anyones bubble.......

I still stand by what I think of...is IF someone is an addict which in all cases Im sorry I dont think some are...Some go thru deaths in the family and fall thur a crack and do whatever it is to keep them ALIVE.....even for one day..even if it was to be high, but when the reality kicks in..We come to the solid advice........
Another thing...Is this is NOT an N.A forum...This is an addiction information site basically and there are all kinds of personalities..here....and all walks of life..that though people do things that we may not agree with...and they may come back and whimper.....and get more information and chose to do what they do with their lives..They find something that will free them..For some that is N.A or A.A for some its church....but we CANNOT JUDGE.......if someone else has found God..even if they do a perc here and there.....for PAIN...not ABUSE....huge difference....
If someone has to taper...They taper....but we have no right to judge them just because they arent in a program...We just offer our hand and give advice on what worked for us..or someone else....and let the seed planted.....and life goes on..its DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE.......

The young lady posting about she is pregnant and wanted to know if she is better off using Vics or Methodone....
But she is not a true addict..like those Heroin users or people who buy pills of the streets........
I guess my thoughts were what clean straight person would ever consider taking Methodone?

I have seen people in the program where something has happened and they were forcecd to go on a medication of some type..Some people have mental illness that yes, have somethign to do with drugs...but isnt their entire life

As for this young ladies thoughts on what an addict is...is mostly typical...Yet she asked for help anyways....for that...is a plus........and a desire...and I truely believe that we cannot measure anyone esles desire......

But I will concede to this oxy and others this morning I had to give a seminar at University of Detroit Mercy College as a guest speaker on Addiction in front of 600 people.......
There are some here who know me very well on IM and emails but those who don't you may think my words are to harsh, to blunt, to honest.....today when I spoke I was 10 times stronger than I have ever been here........

Granted.......Yet Beach, that is your life..Your beliefs....and Im sorry I have been around Addiction and speakers my ENTIRE LIFE..and just because you have that information..or you talk about that information...Doesnt mean that you walk it...totally different things, and yet I dont judge you on what you type, I listen with an open mind and sometimes I am willing to just accept that you are different then I...but to shun out a person....on a lol forum is totally nuts to me...its not the same in PERSON.........

I agree with one statement made new people here should be welcomed and given a chance to sit down......
Most of the time here I do try to do that......check back months with my posts.....or hire Tab-Dog to do it for you.....

Thats a low blow...Hire Tab-Dog..and your practicing principles? I think is a bit unfair.....Beach I listen to you and read what you write and in many ways I agree..and the stuff you share is only more wisdom for me on my day to day life..Maybe some of us do that for you here..but when you close your mind because someone tapers...I think is unfair.....

You told me once..when I slipped...That if you were in my shoes..You would have used too!!! without even thinking about it.......Yet I had that experience and I did I what I needed to do for myself and carried on.....You also mentioned once that if I came over with a bottle of pills that depending on your mood you would use.........Thats you
Let me explain that I keep litterally a joint in my room AT ALL TIMES...and when I feel like smoking it...I believe it or not do my own process of letting it go...I also keep a supply of a couple of pills around, I HATE MENTIONING THIS...because I think its TOTALLY unfair to others on this site.....Yet...I only have one when I am in need for pain..nothing else....Please tell me the difference...Perhaps I have a addicted personality for sure..however...Am I truely an addict? Would I throw away my entire life for drugs..NO...Im sorry I wouldnt..I havent....and here I sit.....with my own clear mind

One thing that one person very much impressed me with it was to this young ladies post...he didn't think I was on point and told me about it......then came back and said he re-read her post carefully and had a different perspective....

I also thank all the people who email me and post that they agreed or disagreed with my posts and many who have said your a wake up call for addiciton.......
And granted Beach you are...you are an amazing assest to this site..Yet your seem narrowminded to only one walk of life..Which I totally believe is judgment....
I just wanted to express how I felt, because I do believe this is my home here..and I believe that I am an assest as well.and sharing my experience strentgh and hope the best way I know how..and you do the same.....and when I think someone I actually care for and pray for another way of looking at something...I think its GREAT COMMUNICATION........even if we dont agree......Yet I dont feel you allow me to do the same...Which kinda hurts actually....Because alot of what you have said stuck...

Addiction is nasty would you use kid gloves with AIDS? Drugs seduce the brain with pleasures then takes the brain over and then trys as hard as possible to kill the body....wreck families......
Granted...NO one disagrees with that...But everyone needs a little something of everything and when we judge that quickly I believe can really send someone that isnt centred back out for another round? whats the point there..when we should just welcome each other.....ALWAYS.........

I'll try to be a little bit more compassionate in my posts....but my honesty will never diminish because if I ever loose my honesty I will relapse and use...because I will believe my own lies, start justifying to use because of poor me....to get to recovery if you are a true addict you must fight this disease with all your might or you are just lying to yourself....

And I totally AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.....However Key word being...If you are a true addict!!! I often wonder what that means lol...when I have sat around the rooms for years..and I still do today.....I know, I dont get HIGH TODAY.....
If that statment is directed to me about the poor me, and I actually dont think it is..but if it is...I dont beleieve I protray that to many......I believe I have been honest with myself..and well...my counsellor and some of hte members on this board......To me...Thats all I have to answer...to....thats just my opinion

And last one thing is for sure about addicts they all have very thin skin and are easliy offended.....the truth to an addict is like holy water on Reagan.......

Sure thing..and I agree again...Yet lol me pointing this out was my persecptive on things..ON life....Mine..NOt yours, and just like I told Marc..is I believe I have a right to voice mine as well as yours..and yet my approach has always been from a loving place.....for the most part....I do believe that

Folks get to recovery and don't let words take your focus on what is most important "not using any drugs >>RECOVERY

And are their any other OPTIONS...Like Counselling...Like a spirit....LIke God...Like children...Like a tree....Trust me Beach there are many walks of life...and I think that we need to take those things in consideration..IF an addict is lying to themselves that will come out in the future this I know to be true...in the wash..and yet...its their own journy process adn I just htink regardless of our own walk of life...That we should hear from other people....

tomanypills
6/14/2007
C8  bottom line the bottom line is an addict came in for help and was treated in a way that she"ll probably never be back,,,I hope she found help

And this was my point...................in the end......and its sad......That we honestly dont know the impact we have on other people...and maybe someone is taking your advice and using anyways....and getting all messed up...or that person is living life in really good ways but found something else that worked for them............Not everyone is an addict...or will always remain to be clean..without the N.A program..there are other ways...

I just wish that you were open to hearing from others..Its like you shun out the ones that you see fit to speak to...I watch your posts to other members on this board..as to me for say and I always never understood why you didnt like me..and I always wondered if you actually MENT what you say..when you say you wish all the best..IN my experience someone can say that as much as I love you and be meaningless.......I know I have done it too in my life..and at points where I didnt even realize I was doing it myself................

I Just think that its intresting how others think and that if we all shared.....everyone can find their own centre.....I do believe it is different for everyone..and I want anyone that comes on this site..to know that any progress even if it be from 20 percs to 10 percs a day..is an accomplishment and I encourage nothing else but to continue to drop down..and try other things..Just as I have..and maybe it wont work for them..but perhaps it will........So why not share it?

I honestly pray that you will find the willingness to open your mind...To something other than recovery...I have watched many people grow and I think that perhaps this could be apart of your growth too!!

Happy Thoughts and Prayers
Love
C

Im sorry if I keep repeating myself, something I do struggle with is thoughts...lol and how to express them..Its a tick lets call it, but I hope my perspective comes across....For I am a mystery yet...a living miracle I think too..