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Effect of Peginterferon Alfa-2a (Pegasys) on Liver Histology in Chronic HCV

by Revenire, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
This is very good news and adds evidence to the histolgic effects of interferon.



If anyone doesn't achieve the "12 week 2 log drop" magic number this is a good study to show to the doctors if they want you to stop treatment.



“In patients with chronic hepatitis C with or without cirrhosis, peginterferon alfa-2a (relative to IFN) significantly reduced fibrosis. The beneficial effects of peginterferon on liver histology are closely related to virologic response.”



Effect of Peginterferon Alfa-2a (Pegasys) on Liver Histology in Chronic Hepatitis C
Member Comments (40)

by DebbieDo, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
To: revenire
Thanks for the info.  I am a 1b with mild fibrous 9/48

by thanbey, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
"no significant reduction was observed among nonresponders"



This is not great news for those who do not respond.

Unfortunately for those who do not, the rates of histological progression is back to where it was within one to two years and can be worse in some patients.



So, for those with mild histology to begin with, who are female or who have low risk for progression, and who are genotype 1, this might be something to consider before making the decision to treat. Women of childbearing age also have issues to consider with regard to Interferon therapy.



Here is an article on that.



I hope this helps,



thanbey

by thanbey, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
article on that



Rats! I thought I was getting this down...........



sorry about that



thanbey

by cindee, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
To: Joni
Can you please tell me the meds that cause liver failure? I am almost 4 months post tx and I still feel like ****! I am geno 1a, and I hope I haven't replased. Thank-you so much! Much love and many prayers, Cindee

by BD146, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
I am a non-responder who was  in treatment 18 months ago.



After reading the articles I am now seriously considering to stop treatment..   I  now feel that I have false hope and have been in denial..          Thank you for the reality check. EDGAR

by Revenire, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
To: thanbey
Thanks for posting the link to the study and your site.



While it is clear that people who achieve a SVR benefit the most from the antifibrotic effects of peginterferons don't a certain percentage of nonresponders also benefit?



It seems to me that the jury is still out on that question.



We won't know that until the HALT-C (studying Pegasys) and COPILOT (studying PEG-Intron) studies are completed, or later. These, to my knowlegde, are large studies -- both involving over 1000 patients.



"Both studies will attempt to determine whether long-term treatment with low-dose pegylated interferon can help delay the development of fibrosis and cirrhosis, slow the progression from compensated to decompensated cirrhosis, and reduce the chances of developing liver cancer (hepatocellular carcinoma)."



How long after completing treatment does it take for any benefit to show up in a biopsy? Two years? Five? One?



Best,



Scott



by Revenire, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
To: BD146
Where are you in treatment? Have you responded?

by BD146, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
To: Revenire
I started tx again 12/19/03 and at this point dont give a damn. Edgar

by jonihs, Feb 27, 2004 12:00AM
When I was diagnosed, it was after complete liver failure. After 16 mos. I finally found a G.I. to tx. me. I have now been on pegasys/copegus for 14/24. I'm a 2b. I nearly had liver failure again, but because of other drugs prescribed, and now 4 weeks later feel better. My enzymes are in the normal range for the 1st time since I was diagnosed. My liver has gotten almost back to normal size from inflamation going away. It's not been easy and I'm not done yet, but so far, I thank God everyday for this chance. They will(Hopefully) take my first PCR since beginning tx. Monday. I started at 5 million. I live in nowhere , Mont. so I don't know how they'll get the testing done, but if there's a way, she'll get it done. Hope this helps, inspires someone. They only approved tx. for my condition in July, 2003, so this is all in God's hands.   Joni

by thanbey, Feb 28, 2004 12:00AM
To: revenire
A certain amount of those who respond to treatment DO have some histological benefit, but only as long as they remain on the interferon. Once interferon is discontinued, histology worsens over the next 1-2 years and even MAY increase.



So, yes, it is possible that non-responders can be maintained and receive a certain amount of histological improvement as long as they are on low dose monotherapy.



When you break it down, it looks like this:



Less than 50% of genotype 1's realize an SVR and of that some, but not all, have some histological benefit.



Those who do not respond, may have to be on interferon for a long time or intermittently for a long time, perhaps life (like insulin for diabetics) if they can tolerate the medications.



That is why, since most people do not progress or die of hepatitis C once they are diagnosed, it is really important to assess whether the risks (sides, adverse events, and possible non-responde) outweight the benefits. There has been at least one study out of the Harvard School of Public Health that concluded that the risks do outweigh the benefits for those (particulalry women) who have mild disease.



So, it isn't a matter of whether treatment is good, bad or ugly. It is a matter of optimal timing and the real likelihood that there are better options coming along for those who can wait. It might just be that those who can, should. This is one of the reasons Roche has been very careful about the 12 week PCR result. There AMY be less risk of being interferon dependent if those who probably are not going to respond discontinue if the 12 week PCR is still positive or has not revealed a 2 log drop in viral load.



I hope this helps.



thanbey



Hepatitis C Outreach Project

by new-sojourn, Feb 28, 2004 12:00AM
To: jonihs
I was in a study for people like you and obviously me. I started May 2002, fin'ed Oct 2002.  Stupid or lucky me, I didn't realize that anyone would hesitate to tx after liver failure.  And what a shame.  After all, I cl'ed in only 18d's, fin 24wks-2b.



If I hadn't tx'ed, I'ld be dead.



You asked how I was.  Well, I'm good b/have to watch for fluid build up.  I'm looking for a good mild herbal diuritic.  Also, the encephalitis-ammonia thing.  Its just a balance of diet, exercise and rest.  I feel much better, so good in fact, that I have to pace myself, b/c my energy is not boundless anymore.



I feel as if my liver has really improved since the hep c is gone.  And I've learned not to add further insult to the liver's injuries.  The longer I stay away from drugs and alcohol, the more I realize I no longer need or want them.  And my liver thanks me, too.  It's kinda like a pet now.

by Honey15637, Feb 28, 2004 12:00AM
To: Edgar, Everyone
Edgar...what is your latest 12 week testing show?  I know you said you didn't respond 1st round but how are you doing this time?  I can only understand how you are feeling as all this reading of studies etc...can get you down big time.  If you are SVR..Great...you know you did good but on the otherhand if you are a 1...and have relapse..then you are thinking..am I progressing things along on my liver?  I'm like you as I get going and excited about beating this and then read more, do more reseach and then wonder if I'm doing the right thing. Its like a catch 22! My prayers are with you and I pray you don't give up at this stage of the game.

by BD146, Feb 28, 2004 12:00AM
To: Honey/TnHepGuy
Thank you both for reaching out. I am starting to feel that ignorance is truly bliss..

I feel that at many times this forum has been very helpful, and many times it has been a depressant.

Maybe the time has come for me to put this forum down for a while.



Thank you ...   Edgar

by Honey15637, Feb 28, 2004 12:00AM
To: Edgar
Sometimes taking a break can help and I know at times reading different postings can make or break the day. I know at times when having a bad day...you quickly forget about it the next and things are so much brighter.  Don't make any drastic decisions today but wait..and the answers will come.  If you just want to talk...my email ***@****