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HCG Shots and Phentermine dosage
by Celi06, May 05, 2006 12:00AM
Hello everybody,
I have been reading about these HCG shots and Phen pills; but I am still wondering about the proper dosage. So why the ones that know about this dont post here their experiences.
Is it a good dosage for a weight loss program??
'The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis.'
If you are doing by yourself also you need to know where you need to get the shots; so read next what got2lose wrote:
'I was told that it absorbs better/quicker if it is given from the waist down, which means, either buttocks, upper thigh, or stomach. For the stomach, 1 or inches on either side of the bellybutton. It's supposed to not hurt as much in the stomach because you don't have as many nerve endings there.'
Also if you buy the shots yourself; which brand is the right one??. I saw one called Pregnyl, is it good for a weight loss program.
And about the Phentermine pills I have read that most of the people in that program are taking 37.5 once a day around 10:30am or an hour before lunch; right??.
Also how long you are in the program; 3 shots a week for a month then off a month or 4 months then a month off??
Last one; is better a 800 or 600 calories/day. Maybe and average would fine but no more than 800??
If someone please can say something different would help a lot to all of us.
Thanks.
I have been reading about these HCG shots and Phen pills; but I am still wondering about the proper dosage. So why the ones that know about this dont post here their experiences.
Is it a good dosage for a weight loss program??
'The usual protocol is to inject 1500-3000 I.U. every 4th or 5th day, for a duration usually no longer than 2 or 3 weeks. If used for too long or at too high a dose, the drug may actually function to desensitize the Leydig's cells to luteinizing hormone, further hindering a return to homeostasis.'
If you are doing by yourself also you need to know where you need to get the shots; so read next what got2lose wrote:
'I was told that it absorbs better/quicker if it is given from the waist down, which means, either buttocks, upper thigh, or stomach. For the stomach, 1 or inches on either side of the bellybutton. It's supposed to not hurt as much in the stomach because you don't have as many nerve endings there.'
Also if you buy the shots yourself; which brand is the right one??. I saw one called Pregnyl, is it good for a weight loss program.
And about the Phentermine pills I have read that most of the people in that program are taking 37.5 once a day around 10:30am or an hour before lunch; right??.
Also how long you are in the program; 3 shots a week for a month then off a month or 4 months then a month off??
Last one; is better a 800 or 600 calories/day. Maybe and average would fine but no more than 800??
If someone please can say something different would help a lot to all of us.
Thanks.
Active Life: 64 hours
Drug Class: Leutenizing Hormone (LH) - Gonadotropin
Average Dose: debatable
Acne: Yes
Water Retention: Yes
High Blood Pressure: Yes
Liver Toxic: No
Aromatization: No, but it will raise testosterone levels and increased aromatization may occur.
Chorionic gonadotropin is a hormone found in the female body during the early months of pregnancy (it is produced in the placenta). It is in fact the pregnancy indicator looked at by the over the counter pregnancy test kits, as due to its origin it is not found in the body at any other time. Blood levels of this hormone will become noticeable as early as seven days after ovulation. The level will rise evenly, reaching a peak at approximately two to three months into gestation. After this point, the hormone level will drop gradually until the point of birth. As a prescription drug, HCG offers us some interesting benefits. In the United States, we have the two popular brands, Pregnyl, made by Organon, and Profasi, made by Serono. These are FDA approved for the treatment of undescended testicles in young boys, hypogonadism (underproduction of testosterone) and as a fertility drug used to aid in inducing ovulation in women. When prepared as a medical item, this hormone comes from a human origin. Although there is often a fear of biological origin products, there is little research to be found regarding pathogen or sterility problems with HCG. The problems seen with human origin growth hormone are certainly not to be repeated with HCG, as this compound is obtained in a much different way.
Phentermine is a phenethylamine primary used as an appetite suppressant. It is typically prescribed for individuals who are at increased medical risk because of their weight, as opposed to cosmetic weight loss.
History:
Phentermine is one of two drugs in the Fen-phen anti-obesity medication, the other being fenfluramine or dexfenfluramine. Fenfluramine was withdrawn from the U.S. market in 1997 after reports of valvular heart disease and pulmonary hypertension.
Mechanism of action:
Phentermine, as many other prescription drugs, works with neurotransmitters in the brain. It is a centrally-acting stimulant chemically related to the amphetamines. It stimulates neuron bundles to release a particular group of neurotransmitters known as catecholamines; these include dopamine, epinephrine (also known as adrenalin), and norepinephrine (noradrenaline). This is the same mechanism of action as other stimulant appetite suppresants such as sibutramine, diethylpropion, and dextroamphetamine.
The neurotransmitters signal a fight-or-flight response in the body which, in turn, puts a halt to the hunger signal. As a result, it causes a loss in appetite because the brain does not receive the hunger message.
Clinical use:
Generally, it is recommended by the FDA that phentermine should be used short-term (usually interpreted as 'up to 12 weeks'), while following nonpharmacological approaches to weight loss such as healthy dieting and exercise. However, recommendations limiting its use for short-term treatment may be controversial. One reason given behind limiting its use to 12 weeks is drug tolerance, whereby phentermine loses its appetite-suppressing effects after the body adjusts to the drug. On the contrary, it has been shown that phentermine did not lose effectiveness in a 36-week trial (PMID 11054601). Due to the risk of insomnia, it is generally recommended that the drug be taken either before breakfast or 1-2 hours after breakfast.
Phentermine is a phenethylamine primary used as an appetite suppressant. It is typically prescribed for individuals who are at increased medical risk because of their weight, as opposed to cosmetic weight loss.
History:
Phentermine is one of two drugs in the Fen-phen anti-obesity medication, the other being fenfluramine or dexfenfluramine. Fenfluramine was withdrawn from the U.S. market in 1997 after reports of valvular heart disease and pulmonary hypertension.
Phentermine is still available by itself in most countries, including the U.S. However, because it is similar to the amphetamines, individuals may develop an addiction to it.
Mechanism of action:
Phentermine, as many other prescription drugs, works with neurotransmitters in the brain. It is a centrally-acting stimulant chemically related to the amphetamines. It stimulates neuron bundles to release a particular group of neurotransmitters known as catecholamines; these include dopamine, epinephrine (also known as adrenalin), and norepinephrine (noradrenaline). This is the same mechanism of action as other stimulant appetite suppresants such as sibutramine, diethylpropion, and dextroamphetamine.
The neurotransmitters signal a fight-or-flight response in the body which, in turn, puts a halt to the hunger signal. As a result, it causes a loss in appetite because the brain does not receive the hunger message.
Clinical use:
Generally, it is recommended by the FDA that phentermine should be used short-term (usually interpreted as 'up to 12 weeks'), while following nonpharmacological approaches to weight loss such as healthy dieting and exercise. However, recommendations limiting its use for short-term treatment may be controversial. One reason given behind limiting its use to 12 weeks is drug tolerance, whereby phentermine loses its appetite-suppressing effects after the body adjusts to the drug. On the contrary, it has been shown that phentermine did not lose effectiveness in a 36-week trial (PMID 11054601). Due to the risk of insomnia, it is generally recommended that the drug be taken either before breakfast or 1-2 hours after breakfast.
Side effects:
Because phentermine acts through sympathomimetic pathways, the drug may increase blood pressure and heart rate. It may also cause palpitations, restlessness, and insomnia. Additionally, individuals taking this drug on a long-term basis may develop euphoria and a psychological addiction to it.
Contraindications:
Phentermine should generally be avoided in patients with:
Agitation
Allergy/Hypersensitivity to other sympathomimetic amines
Atherosclerosis
Cardiovascular disease
Glaucoma
High blood pressure
Hyperthyroidism
Previous history of drug abuse
Additionally, this drug should not be used at the same time or within 14 days following the use of monoamine oxidase inhibitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phentermine
BRAND NAMES: Adipex-P, Obenix, Oby-Trim
DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Phentermine is in a class of drugs