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Opiate based painkillers are evil!

by Corey, Dec 29, 1999 12:00AM
I've just finished browsing this forum for the last hour and am amazed with the many typical addition stories that sound, oh so familiar.

I'm please to say that I beat my problem with Hydrocodone, but certainly would not have started had I known the potential problems.

There should definetly be a more descriptive warning label on nacotics that are potentially addictive. Could be habit forming? How about… is highly additive-so proceed with extreme caution! I really think Doctors also need to inform their patient about the potential risks and should not be so eager refill their patients meds.

Anyone taking opiate based painkillers should discontinue immediately and find an alternative. I know I will.

Member Comments (39)

by hooked on a feeling, Dec 29, 1999 12:00AM
it is pretty easy to get but it makes me feel so good and right now feeling good is hard to do on my own.

by holly, Jan 17, 2000 12:00AM
I beleive also everything here said, one way that helped me kick my addiction was to picture the pills in my hand or the bottle or just walk by the pharmacy And say over and over Satin Be Gone. It helps me in knowing that I have God and with him there is nothing more powerfull. And I am not that week to give into the devil running and ruining my life!!!!

by Bleu', Jan 29, 2000 12:00AM
Yes they are evil!!  That about sums it up in one sentence!!

But what about chronic pain?   It's a catch 22!!

I am leaning toward dealing with the pain, than the demands

of pain pills.  Alternative?  Still looking...

by brian, Mar 06, 2000 12:00AM
Opiates are NOT evil.  Most people do not abuse them.  They are essential for many people, and reduce suffering of those in true pain.  Too much wine will kill you, but those who enjoy a glass with dinner and never have a problem with it certainly don't think it is evil.  People have to take responsibility for their own behavior.  If anyone here got addicted because they didn't know it could happen, they obviously are quite uneducated.  I got addicted, knowing it could and would happen, because I am an addict.  I certainly don't want my disease to affect those who have real pain and need narcotic painkillers.

by imus3, Mar 14, 2000 12:00AM
TO COREY

How are you gona say ''everyone taking opiate meds should get off of them and get on somthin elece''?? Opiate meds are the only thing that works for alot of people, Just because you abused your meds doesent mean everyone does, and anyone with half a brain knows that most pain killers are addictive and have to be taken carefully, And think befor you open your mouth, its hard enough for pain suffers to get good meds without people like you sayin how bad they are, if you dont like them or they dont help your pain,, dont take them. And the only reason your giting off of the is because your doc probly cut you off, and if hydrocodone ''vicoden'' was all you were taking, they are a weak opiate next to oxycontin, morphine exc..and who ever SA MD is,,  Are you a doctor??  What a joke;.

by Chrissie, Mar 19, 2000 12:00AM
Imus3?  Not the real Imus.  Never... but I agree with the good doc, here.  If your pain situation warrants that you can get off... then get off.  Imus?  You don't want to know what I consume each day.  All for good reason, I might add.  The neurontin compliments the baclofen, the baclofen compliments the mexiletine, the mexiletine numbs my nerves enough to warrant a reduction in the morphine that I have to take each day in order for me to think past the pain that rocks my world 24/7, 52 weeks per year/or 365 days (which ever comes first,  ha!)  Without the "morphine", I'd be a writhing idiot.  It all boils down to this:  "If you need opiates to increase the quality of life, take them."  "If you don't need them and take them anyways, well then... you'd be the writhing idiot because you knew better in the first place."

by imus3, Mar 22, 2000 12:00AM
I take .... two 20mg Oxycontins, Two 1mg xanax,, 4 soma And 3 vicoden ES, a day ,,I dont know How much morphine you take but I have taken the MS contin 100mg befor, and they did nothig, I took and bite a 100mg pill;. Morphine is no where near as strong as oxycontin, I just dont like It when people put down opiate meds because they are hard enough to get without Drug abusers going around saying how bad they are;.;.  my web page  ...commnity.webtv.net/imus3/imus3spage

by brian, Mar 22, 2000 12:00AM
Since when is morphine nowhere near as strong as oxycontin?!  Having had both, and having a bit of knowledge about the pharmacology of both, MS-Contin is FAR stronger (which is why it is often restricted to use with cancer patients and the like).  Oxycontin is simply long acting percocet, a strong painkiller but not in the same league as morphine.  BTW, by your posts you seem to imply you are not a drug abuser, yet one has to wonder why a non-drug abuser would ever bite a MS-Contin.  The answer is obvious, if it walks like a duck and quacks...it's a duck.

by to brian; the duck man, Mar 25, 2000 12:00AM
Enough about ducks, To me, the morphine dident work as well as the oxycontin,[ oxycodone] probly because in morphine 90% of morphine is absorbed in the liver when taken oraly,         less than 50% is waisted in the body with Oxycodone, thats why morphine doesent work as good oraly, I always thought morphine was a lot stronger than oxy, unill I tried it, And thats what most other pain suffer's say as well, As for biting them, I sometimes bite  the oxycontins too if Im in bad pain, I bit the MS pill because I wanted to see how much I would need to kill the pain If I was going to switch over to it, Im glad I dident switch befor tring them, would have been a waist of time. How much and what do you take and what for??? And the reason docs dont give morphine to anyone but people that have cancer ext, is because most dont know there ass from a percocet, They think people will git 'high' on it, but they give out soma to anyone with a stiff finger, do you know why????  because soma is not a regulated drug,

Even though it gets you higher than any oxy or MS, they {the docs} wont get in any trouble with the DEA no mater how much soma they give out, And morphine is at the top of the DEA no no list, So thats why its so hard to get CLASS 2 meds, if you need any more help, you just ask;;.

by Chrissie, Mar 29, 2000 12:00AM
MS-Contin had a spot on 60 Minutes.  If my memory serves me correctly, it had to do with a woman with severe back problems who owned her own dress shop.  Her physician had his license revoked because the state claimed that he (and colleagues like him) were making drug addicts out of patients suffering from chronic pain by giving them MS-Contin.  They interviewed the woman in question... put the cameras on her from the time she got up in the morning (she almost was paralyzed from pain), then filmed her consuming the MS-Contin, and a short while later the lady was moving about minus a certain percentage of pain.  According to her, she had tried everything except the MS-Contin.  When she did, it worked.  I sincerely hope the physician was re-instated.



As for Oxycontin, I have to put it in the same category as Brian... "a long-acting percocet."  And while we're at it, let's address this "biting" scene.  You can't break an MS-Contin in half.  If you do, you blow the sustained action.  No wonder it didn't work.  If you want immediate action, try MSIR.  If you don't know what that stands for... Morphine Sulphate Immediate Release.  Soma is mild.  I took it years ago.  Baclofen is far stronger.  I too have a limited background in pharacology.  My brother-in-law is a Doctor of Pharacology and now invents medications.  If I have (had) any questions whatsoever about certain medications, I go to him with them.  Hear me.  MS-Contin is stronger than Oxycontin, Oramorph, Vicoden (all hydrocodones), etc.  Why?  Because it's MORPHINE.  Before my craniotomy, I took 180 mgs of it a day.  Post cranie?  Down 90 mgs a day (crappy withdrawal-but the ritalin was far worse.  Too much morphine causes the "nod", so you have to take methylphenidate in order to remain "focused".)  To tell you the truth?  I wished I didn't have to take anything.  I wouldn't have a pill case loaded with 8 stinking pills 3 times a day (that's 24 a day) 7 days a week trying to have a quality of life.  It never ceases to amaze me why there are idiots out there making a game out of consumption!  There are other forms of entertainment!



But... forget that you don't want them... if you need them, you need them.  Just pray you don't need so much that methylphenidates are needed because then you open another can of worms. - Chrissie

by TO CHRISSIE, Mar 29, 2000 12:00AM
When you bite ocycontin or ms contin, it realeses all at once, so if the ms dident work on me when i bite it,, It shure as hell wont work if I eat it whole, only releasing 10 mgs an hour, If it works on you, great, It doesent on me, probobly because my tolerance is to high for them to work, your right, oxycontin is the same thing as percocet, oxycodone, How much oxy were you taking beor you went to morphine?

by Chrissie-2 Last Comment, Mar 30, 2000 12:00AM
I've been on MS-Contin for over 5 years now.  You asked about how much Oxycontin  I "was" taking.  Not enough to even dent the chronic pain from Neurofibromatosis-2.  I caught the painkiller bus on Lortab 7.5's then 10's.  When they stopped working, I transferred to Oxycontin-Oramorph and when I reached the end of the line with them... it was a new ticket altogether and I was told by every single one of my specialist that this stop would be the last before a massive craniotomy.  Like I stated before... I wished to GOD that I didn't have to take even just one!  They're "evil" if you do... and "evil" if you don't.  So what makes the difference anyways how you float your boat?  It's apparent that it ain't a good badge to wear either way you consume.  Those who seriously need opiates, their hands are tied.  Those who don't need opiates, tie their own hands. - Ciao