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What is ibogaine ? Is a doctor in the house?

by Brighty, Aug 26, 2000 12:00AM
I have been addicted to Vicodan for 4 years and can't quit. I read about ibogaine in a clinic in Europe to stop the cravings and the withdrawl. Lot's of the addicts were cured permanently. Where the hell is the doctor for this page ? It's called 'ask the doctor' and this one is missing.
Member Comments (12)

by FROM JO TO KIM, Aug 26, 2000 12:00AM
your right about one thing my friend....this doc has flown the coup....so we tend to take care of eachother here. There are so many people you will find in here that have knowlege and are willing to share that with you. Mark my words. And good luck

by tom to Beau, Aug 27, 2000 12:00AM
I don't know where the doc is either. Kinda of like a typical hospital experience, you know?



They might be on vacation. It is mid-summer. But they should post something to that effect. Makes me wonder if the site is going to be closed down. They say they have no money ... I hope not because I can't find an equivalent anywhere else on the web.



go to www.ibogaine.com, or lookup ibogaine on a search engine. The stuff apparently blocks the cravings for opiates and cocaine. It is administered IV in a hospital in a controlled setting and the effects last a long time. They say it makes people re-experience incidents in the lives. They also say it produces a state of "wide awake dreaming." Sounds kinda cool, like mescaline or something. mmmmmm ....

by Brighty, Aug 27, 2000 12:00AM
Tom is right about the effects of ibogaine. The results are amazing. Please note that this substance is highly illegal in the US and it is a schedule 1 substance here. The US is the only country in the world that has done this. This is interesting since ibogaine has zero potential as street drug use. It is an arduous experience and not something anyone does to have fun. Ibogaine arrests nicotine and cocaine addiction although it's most noted benefits are reported by heroin addicts who remain clean without difficulty after this treatment. You have to leave the country to get this treatment so don't expect to make an appointment with your doctor for this. I doubt if the doc ever returns to this site that he will reply to your question. I bet it will vanish from the board. My opinion of course.

by From Aunt Lindy to Mariah, Aug 27, 2000 12:00AM
I just want to say that I love this site and I will be TOTALLY bummed if something was to happen.  Have we even heard from Brian lately?  I come here everyday to just see that I am not alone.  It helps me go on.  I wish someone would let us know what is going on. I would even pay a small fee if needed.  This site and you all mean that much to me.  Anyway, Now I feel better.

Have a good day all,

Lindy.

by tom to Lindy and hi to Brighty, Aug 27, 2000 12:00AM
Welcome back, both of you. I echo Lindy's sentiments. I, too, have wondered where Brian is. He could be on a legitimate vacation, or working somewhere where he can't access the net. I hope he didn't relapse. But it's just as likely as for any one of us. In his case, he has ready access to those drugs, something, quite frankly, I could not handle. Brian, if you're out there, let us know ...

by Ronnieg to everyone, Aug 27, 2000 12:00AM
I think Brian is over at that other site I found one day while surfing the web. I am not telling you this to spam the site. I have found  the other site to have many more participants and really wonderful people who will open their arms to you.

There is a Brian who has been posting frequently in the Addiction forum and the Chronic Pain Forum. It could be another Brian however.



This site has a doctor who participates in the Spinal Disorder  Forum. His name is Dr. Whitworth. He is an Anestisiologist and a Pain Management Specialist. He  does this for  free and  I have found him to be one of the most compassionate doctors I have ever known.



Here is the site..just highlight it and copy it and paste it in your browser. I think it takes you to the addiction forum. From there you can scroll  down to the drop down menu and select the forum of your choice. Try it as you will not be sorry.



http://neuro-mancer.mgh.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=2&SUBMIT=Go



by Brian to Sick and Scared § ALL you guys, Aug 28, 2000 12:00AM
Hello everyone.  I've been off gallavanting around the world.  Decided not to take the laptop and not to even call the States so I could get some real R & R.  No Ronnieg, not me at the other site.  Tom, you are sooo right about the ever present possibility that we all can relapse.  I had some drug rep drop off a bunch of samples of hydrocodone a month or so back and I felt a sick kind of feeling in my stomach, kind of like you get on a rollercoaster when you are about to head down from the top of the track.  Then the metaphor sunk in and I remembered that's exactly what I would be doing, heading straight back downhill, only with no guarantee there is any way back.  Amazing how the availability can trigger those cravings.  Anyhow, back home tanned, rested and clean thank god.  Hope everyone is well.  Brian

by FROM JO TO KIM, Aug 28, 2000 12:00AM
Good for you bro...its soooo important to get away and refuel..now you can be all reved up to dealwith us huh? but havent you noticed how well everyone does if they just have someone who understands huh?

thanks for being here

by From Aunt Lindy to Mariah, Aug 28, 2000 12:00AM
We missed you Brian!  I want to know what you think about the following!  I take Oxycontin 30mg 2x a day.  I do alot of other things mediation, yoga, massage, acupunture.  My Dr. told me last week that I was doing alot better and that we should think about starting to cut back! I thought I would faint.  I think the reason I feel like a human being again is because of how the meds help me.  If it had not been for my wonderful Anesthesiologist I would have called Kevorkian by now.  I have FIBRO/Chronic Pain/Fatigue and he helped me to not jump off a cliff because of constant pain. To me that is like telling me that we are going to cut back on my antidepressant or my blood pressure medicine.  I think that if It all works why fix it!  



Also,  Being in the situation you are in do you find yourself more open to people with Chronic pain or do you find yourself more cautious in treating it?  I was just curious.  My doctor is such a hero for all he has done for me.  I have read this site for a while.  I have myself psyched into thinking I am addicted and I think at this point I am.  I am addicted to it physically.

I just hope it is not mentally.  Only time will tell.  Anyway, Glad that you are back we all missed you.  Alot happened didnt it!

Sincerely,

Lindy.



P.S. I realized all the above is rambling.  Please forgive me. I am not even sure I asked a question up there. I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on all the above!

by Brighty, Aug 28, 2000 12:00AM
Hey... this is a relief !!! Welcome back! I went to that other site that Ronnieg mentioned and after lots of searching I was convinced that the other Brian was definitely NOT you !!! You have a particular style and it was not present in the other Brian's comments :-))



To all---- I checked out the site that Ronnieg suggested and it's really good as far as content. My opinion---ok calm down--- it'll be short--- is that the format is too tiring for me to hang around there long. You cannot see the subject matter unless the poster includes it in their question. So if a question says... unhappy in Kansas for example, you can't know if it's about heroin, pot, cocaine or something totally unrelated. You have to open each one to see the content and also to see who replied. I personally found it to be so much work that I got disinterested. This site is easier because you can scroll and see the topics on one page unless you go to the archive of course. There you have about 6 pages to choose from of current questions. If I get involved there it will be a career. Also there are more commentaries there... here there is much more of concise, right to the point replies to the specific question. See what you think but please don't jump ship and leave me here all alone :-)) Love, Brighty

by Brian to Lindy, etc., Aug 28, 2000 12:00AM
Thanks, nice to be back.  Lindy, chronic pain must be dealt with differently with each patient.  Of course the cause of the pain is the essential question, but there are others such as the psychological/emotional aspect of the pain in the particular individual and the treatments that have been tried and are successful.  In my opinion, chronic pain patients should be treated, when possible, by a chronic pain specialist.  They are more likely to feel comfortable, if other options aren't addressing your pain, to prescribe the necessary levels of narcotics.  For legal and licensing reasons, many other physicians are wary of treating chronic pain with long-term narcotics.  My own philosophy is similar to that of our system of justice.  (Better to let 9 guilty people go free than to have one innocent person jailed.)  With chronic pain, it is better to err on the side of believing the patient and treat with sufficient narcotics where indicated, than to suspect someone with true pain is faking and end up denying them pain relief.  However, narcotics are not always indicated and there are some cutting edge treatments available which do not involve narcotics.  With respect to the yoga, etc. these are all excellent options and work well for many people.  I practice yoga and have found it to be remarkable for relaxation, mental discipline, etc.  For the same reasons it helps pain patients learn to shift the focus from the pain.

by Brighty, Aug 29, 2000 12:00AM
I don't know if you are still around but I honestly had a good laugh when I read the doctor's comments about Ibogaine probably not being available in your area !!! He probably knows what it is but has a good sense of what is appropriate and also a good sense of humor. I would not call Ibogaine a miracle cure personally from what I have learned. It is always recommended to continue in the recovery program or better yet with a personal therapist after ibogaine treatment. Best to you.
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