pain killers

by steve to diane, Sep 11, 2000 12:00AM

No your symptoms should be getting better real soon. The first 3-5 days are the worst. You better quit while your ahead. Take it from experience, I started like you and it escalated, then withdrawals can last a year. Before you know it you;ll be on Methadone, and eating out of garbage cans, haha just kidding but it's possible. Stop the pills now.

by Mike P. to Ken, Sep 11, 2000 12:00AM

I just got a message on the board here. It was unable to bring up the forum because there were:

TOO MANY USERS!

OH MAN! That is hilarious. I am one so I can laugh. Happy Monday all. To the dabblers - stop now. To the long time addicts - may we someday find the joy we find in dope in the sunshine alone. Just a little West Coast hippiness for a Monday. Take care all - Mike P.

by tom to Ryan, Sep 11, 2000 12:00AM

I agree with Steve, day 3, physically at least, should be about as bad as it's going to get. It sounds like you haven't been on them for all that long, so you have an excellent chance of leaving all this behind for good. It's actually quite significant that you've gotten to day three on your first attempt at quitting. I'm impressed! Filling the void with an activity you really like is a good way to combat the psycological withdrawal, which hangs around for a while. After the physical withdrawal subsides, sitting around doing nothing can be dangerous. Try to occupy yourself with something you loved before you started doing the percs. You'll never have a better chance than now. Good luck, Ryan. Let us know how you make out.

by Paul, Sep 11, 2000 12:00AM

I can speak from experience when I say the tapering off program at www.oxycontinnightmare.homestead.com works. And thats oxycontin - your problem is alot easier to overcome.

by From Aunt Lindy to Mariah, Sep 12, 2000 12:00AM

Lets hear from you girl!

by barbara to pain and lortab, Sep 12, 2000 12:00AM

The only Mariah I can think of is "they call the wind Mariah"! Actually it's Saomai and I really wish I was on southern Okinawa yesterday! Not to kill myself, only to see a great peice of wind!

Unfortunatly I am not a millionaire so I cannot chase most storms this year. But I hope to see my fair share right here on Guam. It's my turn damn it.

I would even see it sober for a change. My last sober storm was Super-Typhoon Kim in Saipan back in 1986. A long time ago.

by Mariah to everyone, Sep 13, 2000 12:00AM

Hi! I'm still here. Sorry I've kept you all wondering, after all the time everyone has put into me... I had to go out of town in a hurry & had no Internet. I've really missed everyone! Thank you Tom & Brian for the great advise & support. I have to admit, I have slipped a couple times & taken 2 at a time. I was on cloud nine! I feel bad about it, but it also made me realize how bad it was when I was taking 4 at a time. Because if 2 can make me feel that way, imagine what 4 was doing to my baby & I just didn't feel it because I was used to it. I think if I took 4 right now, I'd be in the hospital. I haven't taken that many at a time forever! But, I've only slipped a couple (2) times. I've stayed on my schedule (usually 2 a day). Those couple of times I took 4 a day. And you're right Tom, I took those 2 at a time when we were at our friend's house & they do it. So everyone was high, including my b/f & he gave them to me, but I took them. But, I felt guilty & I'm still doing pretty good, I'm starting to feel better now. GUESS WHAT!!! I finally made an appointment to see a doctor. That was a huge step for me, but I did it & it's on the 21st. I know I'll feel better once I tell a doctor. I found a good one, everyone loves her. She will only take new pregnant patients, nobody else can get in to see her. So, I got in. She was my friend's doctor & she smoked weed during all 3 of her pregnancies. So, I hope she'll be understanding when it comes to my addiction. I'll let everyone know what she says Thurs. or Friday. I can't seem to get past taking 2 a day. I haven't been able to do just one. I get all crazy when I start thinking about taking none. I just think that I have 5 months to go & that seems unreal to go without pills that long. I have found that it is more mental than anything for me. Sometimes when I want one really bad, I just pretend I already took one. That works, believe it or not. I just lie to myself & I don't feel bad anymore! Weird, huh? I'm feeling the baby kick more & more. I feel better about everything all together. I want to thank EVERYONE for EVERYTHING you've done for me. The support & the kind words are greatly appreciated! Thank you...

Love You All,

Mariah :)

by tom to Mariah, Sep 13, 2000 12:00AM

Mariah! so good to hear from you ...

I'm proud of you for following through on your committment to see a doctor. Good going on the lorcets, too. Very impressive, as a matter of fact. It's funny how you can get your body to respond to smaller doses so quickly. One thing, though, if you resumed the 3-4 at a time, you'd be back where you started in a matter of hours. Once you've been addicted to this stuff for a while, you can roll the tolerance back to some extent, but it comes back very quickly, much faster than it did the first time. After being addicted to vicodin for ten years or so, during which I got up to 75 per day (with the tylenol removed, of course), I now use it from time to time legitimately for back pain. I take two now, and have to just shake my head when I remember buying the stuff by the bagfull. When you go crazy just a little at a time, it's amazing how normal it all seems. One day, you will look back at all this and shake your head, too.

It sounds like you're learning one of the great lessons of parenting, that parents have to do the right thing, not necessarily the popular thing. Let us know how your appt goes. Good luck.

by loanne, Sep 14, 2000 12:00AM

well, brian, i'm down to 2 percs a day at 1/2 perc every four hours. since monday. is it time yet to got to 1.5? or should i do a week at each new dose? it's not so bad. kinda anxious, stomach crampy, gas, minor diahrhea. but iam soooo determined to get off of these things. after doing a week on 1.5 i was going to go down to 1.25 for a week, and then 1/2 morning and night. am i doing thia right? help. please.

by Mariah to Tom, Sep 14, 2000 12:00AM

As always, thank you for your kind words.  They mean the world to me.  I don't know if I've ever wrote about it on here or not, but one of the main reasons I got hooked on these things is because I had a severe ear infection & the doctor gave them to me.  I was only taking 1 every once in awhile.  Then when I got that earache, I had to take them exactly every 4 hours.  I knew when it was time for a pill, because my whole head would pound with pain.  I've had these on & off since the first time & I've always had pills & antibiotics around to take for it.  The point to this story is, I think I'm getting one!  What am I going to do???  If it is one like before, which I pray to God that it isn't, the pain will be horrible!  I woke up about 4am & I noticed my ear having that same old feeling & I got so scared.  An earache sounds like nothing to most people, but the ones I have are next to child birth.  No joke, they're bad!  Well, I go next Thursday to the doctor.  I'm kinda nervous about everything.  I wonder what she'll say?  Will she know from a UA or from blood?  I'm just trying to decide if I should just come out with it or not?  I'll let you guys know what happens...

How do they take the tylenol out of pills?  I've never heard of that.  How can you take those for your back & not be tempted to take more & get high when you know what it feels like?  That would be hard!  You're a strong man.

I'm so bored with my life right now.  There is nothing I want to do anymore.  Really, I can't think of anything we did before that was interesting!  It's just when you're high everything seems fun.  My b/f is getting on my nerves so bad!  He smokes weed too & I can tell when he's high, I feel like I'm talking to the wall.  I've been trying to get him to quit with me, but I don't think it's going to work.  I'll write more later...

Thanks for everything!

Mariah

by barbara to pain and lortab, Sep 14, 2000 12:00AM

Mariah,

Sorry I referred to the typhoons, I did not see your name so far down on the threads and mistook that line as a joke by someone.

I see your dilemna and wish the best for both you and your baby. I know you are in a more than a difficult situation. I only wish I had some advice but I don't know much about your type of predicament.

I would think there would be some pain killers that would help somewhat get you through the pregnancy. I take Ultram, two every four hours and they help a great deal. They are listed as non-narcotic so not as hard to obtain for your doctor but they act like narcotics. I do not know the affects on pregnancy so you need to talk to your doctor heart to heart to find the right answers. I wish you luck, hang in there.

I am doing much better, now that after almost one year I finally got a clear diagnosis of Partial temporal lobe epilepsy. I thought all along it was alcohol withdrawal. I am still over 90 days sober and don't plan to ever drink again even though the shakedowns are not from the booze. I still am physically dependant on alcohol and can never go back to it.

by tom to Mariah, Sep 14, 2000 12:00AM

Hi, again, Mariah

I'll answer your question about removing Tylenol from pills. I'm not posting this because I want to encourage people to take higher doses of Vicodin, though. I'm posting this because I think it's criminal of the drug industry to combine a potentially toxic drug with a known drug of addiction. They will tell you with a straight face that the Tylenol enhances the analgesic affect of hydrocodone. Give me a break �

The reason they combine things like aspirin and Tylenol with narcotics such as codeine and hydrocodone is so they can sell them under Schedule III, instead of the triplicate-requiring Schedule II. The problem is, addicts will take Vicodin in whatever dosages they need to, regardless of the danger posed by Tylenol. I guess they consider death by liver failure to be an effective cure for addiction.

Anyway, here's how you take Tylenol out of vicodin and Tylenol #3's: Hydrocodone and codeine are water- soluble, Tylenol is not. Dissolve the Vic's in a glass of room-temperature water, stirring it up thoroughly. Put the glass in a fridge set for cold. For the next 20 minutes, the Tylenol will fall to the bottom of the glass, while the hydrocodone

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