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Atril Fibrillation

by luisa, Oct 30, 1999 12:00AM
My 74 yr. old Dad is presently diagnosed w/Atril Fibrillation. He is on Blood Pressure meds.---Norvasc(5mg), Metoprolol(50mg),& Cozaar(50mg).

His BP is under control.  These past 2 months he has been sedentary because he had fallen 4 times due to an unstable gait & not able to hold his weight.  He says that his legs wobble/shake & then he sits.

In 1996 he had mennigitis.  Since then he has had an unsteady gait and occasional headaches when he feels cold air or drafts.

In 1997 he was again hospitalized because his potassium was depleted.  They gave him the needed potassium thru his veins ( I remember my dad commenting how it burned & that he felt his heart couldn't take it anymore).  The doctor then gave the remaining needed potassium by liquid drink.

In 1998 he had a minor stroke (one centimeter brain hemmorage). He was on coumadin (blood thinner) at the time of the stroke.  His Doctor was preparing him for electrocardioversion. He was immediately taken off the coumadin. Now we are in a "Catch 22".

My dad is gradually getting worse in being mobile or moving.  He has no pain, eats & sleeps well, however, is afraid to walk more than necessary.  He is using his walker & hopes that soon he may leave it without fearing that he will lose his balance and fail again.

I would like to know what other specific things the doctor may need to investigate or "rule-out" next?

Thank you for your knowledge & time.

His daughter,

Ms. D

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 01, 1999 12:00AM
The stroke was probably due to the coumadin and not the afib so his doctor was right to stop the coumadin.  He could remain in afib but the doctor could also try a TEE and cardioversion to try to get him back in sinus rhythm.  Preventing additional falls is vital so make sure his house is "fall-proof" and he has a bedside commode for night-time toilet needs.
Member Comments (22)

by Gunter, Nov 01, 1999 12:00AM
I thought we afib types take Coumadin to prevent strokes - please explain how and under what conditions Coumadin can cause strokes.



Thanks again!

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 02, 1999 12:00AM
There are two types of strokes - embolic (due to blood clot) and hemorrhagic ( due to bleeding).  Coumadin decreases the risk of embolic but also increases the risk of hemorrhagic - particularly in the elderly.

by EdMac, Nov 03, 1999 12:00AM
at 65 and on Coumadin due to A-Fib what is the preferred manner in dealing with the posible blood clots ?



Thanks, enjoy your site.



by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 04, 1999 12:00AM
Coumadin is recommended for individuals older than 65 with afib and no contrindications to the medication.  For younger individuals with only afib and no other heart problems aspirin alone may be OK.

by Gunter, Nov 04, 1999 12:00AM
PLease explain why Coumadin is recommended for folks over 65 with afib, while aspirin will do for younger folks. What are the pros and cons?



Thanks.

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 04, 1999 12:00AM
This is kind of beyond the scope of this forum.  Suffice it to say the risk of stroke is higher in elderly and thus more powerful protection is needed.

by luisa, Nov 07, 1999 12:00AM
Dr. CCF, thank you for your reply.  My dad had the TEE before coumadin was introduced.  I am wondering if his electrolytes are affected.  If so, could this attribute to his weak legs that can not support him? (they give-out unexpectedly)  This is most troubling.

He has always been a strong man (muscular type--some of it is hereditary & the rest is from a lifetime of physical labor). If I may make an analogy---it's like he has an "electrical short" somewhere.

What should we have tested or look for next?

Thank you...

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 08, 1999 12:00AM
Coumadin won't affect electrolytes.  I would see about enrolling him in a exercise rehab program.

by luisa, Nov 09, 1999 12:00AM
I will look into the exercise rehab.program.  What could affect electrolytes?  Do you think a cardiologist that specializes in eletrophysiology should be the next doctor visit?

Thank you

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 12, 1999 12:00AM
Many things can affect the electrolytes.  Yes, an EP doc would be a good idea.

by Nic (Luisa's Brother), Nov 15, 1999 12:00AM
My father had 3 spinal taps in 10 days during his 12 day hospital stay for menningitis.  He claims that this weakened his legs somehow.  Is this possible whether likely or not?  His legs tire easily when used.  Is this common with afib?

by CCF CARDIO MD - CRC, Nov 21, 1999 12:00AM
Afib can cause fatigue but usually not leg weakness.  The other questions can be answered in the neurology forum.

by patricia, Feb 20, 2000 12:00AM
My boyfriend was just diognoised with afib.  He is 46 years old and cycles and swims, he is basically very healthy, although under a large amount of stress lately.  He feels the afib is stress induced.  He waited 5 days before going to the doctor.  They are giving him blood thinners and coumadin.  He is very leary of all of the drugs he is taking.  He feels that they should just shock his heart and put it back into rythme.  He was told that they don't want to do that for three weeks because if there are iny blood clots in his system, it could be dangerous.  Pl;ease explain why they just can't shock his heart back into its normal rythme?

by vicki, Mar 01, 2000 12:00AM
Hi, I am a 40 year old female and was diagnosed with AF yesterday..I have been having these episodes for a long time and finally went to the ER yesterday...They first gave me 2 nitro pills and they did very litte for the pain and nothing for the racing heart...after doing an EKG, they discovered I had no "P's", whatever that means, they administered cardizem and my heart rate went back to normal, but I still have an irregular heart beat...they sent me home with orders to take one aspirin a day and 1 cardizem CD daily...I also have to go in for a stress test and halter...I am very scared and wonder what causes this and what my future looks like, ANY HELP, COMMENTS OR ADVICE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL!!!!  Please respond!!  Thank-you...

by Raygen Pyle, Mar 02, 2000 12:00AM
I am 66 years old and have atrial fibrillation and have had it for about 8 years.  I would to know about RF Ablation to correct my atrial fibrillation.