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Help!! gallstones , I don't want surgery ....

by attack_again, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
Help!

I am having attacks every few weeks...



I just got diagnosed with gallstones. (multiple stones - on ultrasound)



Doctor wants to remove my gallbladder. NO!



Help, I am scared of surgery ...



What can I do instead ? Diet?

Can gallstones be dissolved?



thanks in advance



attack_again

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by GI.PA, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
Please do not buy into the gallstone flushing theory.  There is absolutely no medical evidence to back this up and it can be dangerous.  



Gallstones only rarely can be desolved and that treatment is a last resort for pateints who are not good surgical cantidates.  The surgery is very easy now days, with very little recovery time, a very few complications.



GI-PA

by tisha17, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
In my opinion you should not buy into the opinion that a gall bladder surgery is easy on your body and that the recovery time is minimal.  



Gall bladder flushing or liver cleansing is a real option.  I  have done it five times.  My husband has done it twice.  I have a friend who just recently was faced with GB surgery. She had heard me talk about the cleanse and said that one day she might try it.  Well, her body decided for her.  She decided to try to do the gall bladder flush to see if it would help.  She removed about 20 stones.  When she went back to the doctor he said that her gall bladder was empty but that she still had to have it removed because it was only functioning at 8%.  She was in pain so she went ahead and did it.  Now she is still in a lot of pain.  It's in the same place that it was before surgery and before the cleanse.  Having her gall bladder removed did not relieve her pain. She went back to the doctor and he told her he would run more tests.  He didn't tell her before the surgery what to expect after.  There are lots of stories of people who had surgery and still are having trouble.



When you do a gall bladder cleanse you will need to do more than one.  One usually will not rid your body of years of unhealthy eating and the accumulation of stones.  I had hoped that by my friend doing this cleanse it would relieve her pain enough to be able to do another cleanse and flush out the pain causing stone(s). That was not the case.



Now after the surgery, she still has pain, and she can't eat anything but jello and salads without throwing up.  



This seems to be a controversial subject.  No one should tell you what to do.  All anyone can do is reccommend.  You need to do the research in order to know if this is what you want.  You said that you did not want surgery.  I would sure check into liver cleansing on the internet especially www.curezone.com as has been suggested on previous posts.  You may still need surgery but don't go into it blind.  Know what your options are.

Tisha 17

by littlejen02, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
Like G.I. PA said,  do NOT buy into the whole liver/gallbladder flushing idea, no matter what the few people who tell you to do it say.  If you read the entire idea, sit back and honestly analyze it even by yourself and think about it in all aspects, it should hit you that it's complete nonsense.



Where would there be room for 3000 stones in your liver and gallbladder?



Think about it.





Be positive and you'll get through this, and don't go doing anything unproven and useless as it might render you in worse condition.





by attack_again, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
5 years ago I came with strong pain, and it was appendicitis (sp). They told me I need surgery. "Minor" surgery. I said yes. (That was my mistake.) Something went wrong. They cut something (I think) that was not supposed to be cut. I almost died. I was in a lot of pain; I was hoping to die - that kind of pain. More then 3 weeks in the hospital, and over 6 months to recover. The worse experience ...  I never got to know what really went wrong. They said that something inside of me was wrong. (They tried to cover up-I bet) I promised to myself: I would die, but I wont let them cut me again. Surgery is absolutely not an option for me. I wishe I didnt learn first hand that proven and useful therapies can render me in much worse condition.

Can't gallstones be dissolved with something? What have been people doing 300 years ago? They must have had some options?

Is it true that surgery is the only option?

I would like to know what is the risk in doing liver flush?

Are there any statistics? How many people die when doing it? How many people get worse? What can happen? GI., LittleJen, why is it dangerous to flush?  Do you know anyone who have gotten worse after?  Is it dangerous to drink Epsom salts? What can happen? Is it dangerous to drink oil? Can gallstones stuck? Can I get an attack?  The last thing I want to do is to end up worse then what I am now. I know I have many questions, but I don't intend to go on with those attacks for the rest of my life. Help!

by attack_again, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: Little Jen
I found page of "Centre for Digestive Diseases"

http://www.limit.ac.uk/gallstones.htm

With a lot of good info on gallstones. Nothing about flush.



"Gallstones vary in size and may be as small as sand grains or as large as a plum. The gallbladder may develop a single, often large, stone or many smaller ones, even several thousand."



So, if it is true, then "several thousand" is not unusal?

Little Jen? Where did you get that 3000 number?







by tisha17, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
To: attack_again
Please look up the web site www.curezone.com!!!  





It will answer the questions you have about liver cleansing.  If it doesn't, you can ask questions there and they will be answered.  You are right to at least be a little nervous about surgery.  This liver cleanse is alternative medicine.



From what I have learned, by the time a person is about 35 to 40  they may have about 2000 stones collected in their gall bladder or liver.  Most of these stones are small, the size of a lentil, or even smaller.  Some of them that have been there for a while may be bigger.  I flushed out 4 on my second liver cleanse that were (-----)that big.  It did not hurt!  



Please go to that web site. WWW.Curezone.com.  It won't cost you a thing to look. There are letters from people who are skeptical or afraid that it will hurt.  Just read the letters.    You can do this liver cleanse for about $5.00. The ingredients are Epsom salts, olive oil, grapefruit juice and apples.  Just things you can get at the store.  If you have doubts about surgery at least this is worth a try.



Tisha17

by littlejen02, Apr 11, 2002 12:00AM
Hello Attack Again --



I am not a doctor so i don't know everything... but i'll try my best to answer your question.



I got the 3000 # just as an estimate, after reading what the liver flush tells you to do. It says that you should be getting rid of about 3000 or more before you can stop, and before you'll get better.



I really have nothing to say anymore because no matter what i do say, i'll lose at it.



Consuming epsom salt will not hurt you

( unless you have heart problems or a kidney disorder