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Gallbladder; Gallstones cleansing or surgery?
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Gallbladder; Gallstones cleansing or surgery?
by ScubaB, Nov 11, 2002 12:00AM
I am experiencing pain from 4 medium gallstones. Surgery is recommended by the doctor. A friend is recommending an applejoice and oil cleansing as a non-surgical option.
I am looking for opinions on both options.
Thanks for your help.
I am looking for opinions on both options.
Thanks for your help.
Good luck!
I am yet to find one single person, who has actually done full liver cleanse, and who claims: "liver flush has no value".
(full cleanse means doing several flushes (several nights), sometimes 3 or 5, sometimes 15 ..., generally until you get 0 stones). I have done the flush several times, and my health is 20 times better. (That is understatement!). If I was listening to my 3 doctors, (who all wanted to take my gallbladder out), I may have been running to the toilet after every meal, for the reast of my life. Instead, I did cleanse, and I did it well! No more pain, no more symptoms! Need I say anything else? It, for sure, had some value, at least for me, and at least for other people who actually tred it. It, of course cannot have any value for those who never tried it ... "but they simply know!"
It's called basic science.
I understand the appeal of simplistic miracle cures, but reverting to 17th century medicine isn't the answer. We would all love it if we could make complex problems vanish by waiving a wand. Unfortunately, wishing it were so and reality are two different things.
I read that most people (woman mainly) have stones and they can be the size of sand to a gold ball. Well the sand ones can be removed thorugh BM's if you take olived oil with lemon jusice at night and the morning. Now only one of mine was the size of a birds egg (a robins i would say) and the rest were little. I swear i at the olive oil and it moved it into the bile duct and caused my pain.
But mine all started on a Wed oct 23 2002 and I had running stools and bad cramps like i had eaten a whole box of exlax. I thought on well just a 24 hour bug. Then on Thurs night i had a hard stool and it was darker than usual and at midnight (I never have a BM at midnight) then i got up to do my daughters insulin shot at 6:30am and I had to urinate so so so bad and when i did it took forever ( a small stream came out) right after that I had the worst cramps in my right side and i felt dizzy, and was going to throw up until i laid down. After 30 mintues i had a slight cramp but nothing big. I went to the hospital (oct 25 2002)and the Greeks love to do test on you so I had and Upper Gi and the rear end deal (not sure of name) they did x rays, blood test and an ultra sound and there they would find several small stones with ULTRSOUND. They told me i had an option to stay and get surgery at 7pm (Greeks work very late)or go home and return when the attack hits again in weeks, months or years. I told them i am already prepped to go with IV, Enemas and fasting so lets do it. Well when they went in they found the BIG STONE that was hidden and I had pus in my gallbladder which is not good. So make sure they really look the ultra sound over. Dr Linos is a very good surgeon from the Mayo Clinic/Harvard and he has removed 3000 gallbladders and he could not see the large stone. Now the surgery left (4) tiny holes in my body and the one is inside my belly button that you cant see but it hurt the most. The other 3 are below my breast, one on the right side and a small slit where they drained the stomach. Now I had bad shoulder pains from where they blew me up so expect that too the next day after surgery. I have had a c section and the Laproscopic surgery was half of that for me. I had a great medical team so i did not get sick from the surgery and they kept ahead of the pain with pain killers. Now i feel so much better and have not had any trouble and hope i dont like some of you. I have lost 8 pounds since Oct 25th and I dont have the urge to eat every hour. I have to make myself eat. Now i dont eat fat anymore and my BM's are perfect unless i eat a lot of fiber. Prunes are very dangerous to me now but i still love them to help get me past a sweet tooth.
There is another interesting thing to check into. If you are around 45-50 and when you eat and shortly after you get bloated and gas you may have low stomach acid. Many people take anti acids when you feel that way ut actually you dont have enough staomch acid to digest the foods you ate and then you go and take an antiacid to take out more of the stomach acid you had left? There are things you can by to give you more acid before eating. Go to www.google.com and type in low stomach acid and read all the neat things. My Mom has it along with Diabetes type 2 and Hypothyroidism. Her doctor said most 50 years olds have low stomach acid instead of to much so there is something to ponder. I hope i helped with my experience. Good luck to all of you and hope you all feel better soon. Gwen
PS i would fly back from the states to get an operation from Dr Linos, he was great and most Americans here agree. So dont worry about me here in Greece. It all went better then in the US (really)