another cocaine ? (you were all so helpful last time)

by mnkdrt, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

I have never heard of anyone contracting HCV or HIV through snorting drugs. To be honest I would be shocked. Both of those are a blood to blood type virus (needle sharing...blood transfusion etc) well I guess HIV doesnt have to be blood to blood.

Now if I had to guess you are putting a chemical in your body that well is not very good for your body. Also you never know who put what in your cocaine.

My suggestion, stop putting cocaine in your body I would imagine with a regular healthy sleeping cycle and a good diet and the absence of DRUGS in your body you might feel a bit better.

MNKDRT

by mnkdrt, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

lol..sorry, thought you mentioned HIV also.

by Califia, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: .

Theoretically it IS possible, but an acute episode of Hep C would have occurred weeks later, not days later, and probably would have felt like the worst flu of your life. Sounds like you're experiencing some toxicity. Here's some advice your doctor will never give you: try flushing with large amounts of Vitamin C for several days, a few grams (to bowel tolerance) every four hours or so.

by Upbeat, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

Wow

It is well documented that snorting accounts for a large percentage of hcv transmission. When trying to determine how I got it and blood transfussion and needles were eliminated the next question asked by my liver doc was snorting.

Ron

by Bill1954, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: Beantown

Here�s some info re: HCV transmission via snorting coke-- I believe this may be from an older study, but I believe the facts still hold true. More info should be available through PubMed.

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Detection of hepatitis C virus in the nasal secretions of an intranasal drug-user.

McMahon JM, Simm M, Milano D, Clatts M.

Background One controversial source of infection for hepatitis C virus (HCV) involves the sharing of contaminated implements, such as straws or spoons, used to nasally inhale cocaine and other powdered drugs. An essential precondition for this mode of transmission is the presence of HCV in the nasal secretions of intranasal drug users. Methods Blood and nasal secretion samples were collected from five plasma-positive chronic intranasal drug users and tested for HCV RNA using RT-PCR. Results HCV was detected in all five blood samples and in the nasal secretions of the subject with the highest serum viral load. Conclusions This study is the first to demonstrate the presence of HCV in nasal secretions. This finding has implications for potential transmission of HCV through contact with contaminated nasal secretions.

PMID: 15132748 [PubMed]

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Hope this finds you well,

Bill

by sailinlady, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

HCV is very likely to be contracted through snorting cocaine, or whatever is was.  Think about all the membranes in your nose and the likelihood of blood.  A tiny spec of blood on a staw may be passed from one person to another.

See:  http://www.pegasys.com/basics/spread.asp

You may not have the virus and it is too soon to know. Please make sure you do get checked and talk to your doctor about it.  Next time remember this is a possible form of transmission.

There are many ways I could have been infected and snorting is one of them.

by mnkdrt, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

hmm, I would have never known you could get hcv from snorting. After further reading as many as 10% of patients got it that way.

learn something every day.

When I did drugs I never felt like that for a week after a binge of cocaine. One time I stopped taking antidepressant cold turkey and got the symptoms you mentioned.

by Upbeat, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: Kalio

I think the more you search the more you will find information on this mode of transference. I never had a blood transfusion and I never did any needles ever. Either sex or the straw. I suspect the straw more than I do the sex. I guess I will never know for sure.

Ron

by NYgirl, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: IT'S VERY POSSIBLE TO SNORT HCV

The doctor has every single confidence in the world that this is EXACTLY HOW I CONTRACTED HCV.

I have had this disease for approximately 25 years. In the 80s I NEVER used a needle. I was a "rock star" (in my mind I guess) and we NEVER ran out of coke - when we did lovely "fans" gave us more more more to try and get close to us. I did a LOT and had a habit for at least 20 years.

The doctor fully believes that it is EASY for one person to use a straw..have microdroplets of blood (you know people who do coke have DREADFUL noses and just because you can't SEE the blood sure doesn't mean it's not there) and then hand off to the next person who snorts not only the coke BUT the HCV as well. Since your nose is such a lovely moist warm bloodfilled place it's quite SIMPLE to transfer it that way.

I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS HOW I GOT IT EITHER - IT IS COMPLETELY VERY POSSIBLE TO DO AND ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU IT IS NOT IS WRONG (sorry) but I am living proof.

I believe the reason doctors don't get this into the data that much is because people tend to PROGRESS in their heavy addiction and that generally means from SNORTING to SYRINGES - and of course if you say you've ever used a syringe they are going to figure that you got it that way and not bother asking about snorting.

They would have to find people who DID snort and NEVER used a needle to figure out exactly how many I suppose.

I think 10% is a light guess if you think of it my way and the fact that doctors are just coming to terms with this method.

by sailinlady, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: Kalio

http://www.ukcoalition.org/hepc/coke.htm

by NYgirl, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: PS

Calfia said:

an acute episode of Hep C would have occurred weeks later,

I NEVER had an acute bought of Hep and like a lot had no idea I had it at all until just this past year.

by sailinlady, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: nygirl

How are you doing?

by jmjm530, Mar 23, 2006 12:00AM

To: NY

Just to play devil's advocate here -- and please correct me if my failing memory is failing me again -- but didn't you post several months ago that your ex-husband/boyfriend was HCV positive and you only found out after you two broke up? If I were you, I'd put this at least as high -- if not higher -- on my list of transmission possiblities as non-IV drug use such as cocaine. I understand sexual transmission is low between monagamous couples but it still exists. The number one transmission route in the United States today is still IV drug

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