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Bad child getting worse.....

by nygrl72, Mar 05, 2003 12:00AM
My daughter was the most perfect behaved infant.  She was also fine until the age of 2.  She is now 3 1/2 and getting worse every day.  She beats up children in her day care (punches, kicks & hits).  At home she is mean to her 6 pound toy poodle.  She throws her cat and beat on her regularly.  When she is told to stop she refuses.  When she is sent to time out she get up.  When I spank her, she cries & continues with the same bad behavior.  In the past I have been on drugs to deal with her (zoloft, wellbutrin, the list goes on).  She has problems and I need help.  Her father is not part of her life and never has been.  Currently he is deployed with the U S Army, in Iraq.  When we go out to the mall or grocery store I have to just walk out.  She wants everything.  I'm on a limited income and can not afford every Barney tape they've ever made!!!!  Please help..  Debra from NC
Member Comments (13)

by angeleyes425, Mar 06, 2003 12:00AM
I know that everyone has an opinion on how to deal with your child(ren) when they misbehave.  I believe that just time-out don't always work but I also believe that you have to be strong when disciplining your child(ren).  I have two girls that are 2 and 4.  My husband and I have to actually work together on the keeping the girls behaved.  I understand that her father isn't in the picture but do you have anyone else? Your mother? Sister? Anyone to help you with discipline?  I'm not saying spanking is always right especially when you are angry at the child for misbehaving.  There is two things that I can tell you that is easier said then done; Sticking with you time-out's or what ever discipline may be and second, maybe join a single parents group.  They will help you with both your problems at home and in your love life.  They will listen to you and try to help.  Please don't take it like I am telling you what you should do but if you get so angry with your daughter, put her in her room and close the door.  Don't spank until you are in control of your emotions.  Maybe there is something bothering her and she feels like that is the only way to let someone know how she feels.   Sit down and have dinner together and talk about her day and your day.  You are doing a good job so far by trying to find help.  You are still a loving mom with problems like the rest of us.  Good Luck.

by poohbear123, Mar 08, 2003 12:00AM
Hi. I am a pre-K teacher who has has to deal with problems in the classroom which you have explained your child is having. You should know I have a BS in Child and Family Studies and I am currently working on my BK. First thing I want to say is I think it is great you are trying to get out there and get some help. Most parents would not admitt this problem. They try to handle everything on their own. This is impossible to do. Secondly you should know I have no children so this is all based on what I see in the classroom and what I have studied. I feel your child senses the tension that you have in your life by being a single parent and by not having a father. Like I read in the last comment try talking to your daughter. See if you can fiugre out what she is thinking when she does these things. You can also seek help with a behavior specilist. Ask your child's director to call a BS in. They are located in all areas of the US however, they do specilize in different areas. You will find they are of great help. They are also free. Just hang in there though... sometimes it takes them a while to get to you. I also agree time out does not always work! Although, I do believe by you being there for her no matter what she will come around. Give it time. Work with her. I know it is hard!

by headproblemz, Mar 09, 2003 12:00AM
Ritalin - and lots of it.

by angeleyes425, Mar 10, 2003 12:00AM
Ritalin isn't not going to solve it.  She is not hyperactive.  Just having problems with what she is feeling and how she is suppose to show it.  Medications will only cover up the problem(s).

by Bobbismom, Mar 11, 2003 12:00AM
First of all I would like to say that I agree w/ everything everyone else has said (except that ridilan comment..SHAME ON YOU!) Second of all as a single Mom of 2 girls (ages 2yrs and 4 months) I can completely sympathize with you. My daughters' father is not in their lives either (by his choice) so when My  2yr old acts up, I do one of 2 things, send her to her room to just play out what ever is wrong or 2 if I am having a bad day as well (for work, or bills or whatever) I call my mother or a friend to take both the girls so I can get what I call "Mommy time" To take a shower, read a book, do errands or whatever to get time for me. I know it is hard to be a single mom on a very very limited income. But what you can't get w/ $$ give in hugs and Kisses.

by zeemoody, Mar 11, 2003 12:00AM
I am a mother of 4 and I can assure that children are trying at times. Something is definitely wrong with your child wether

it be mentally, emotionally or chemically. Definitely get her some medical help. When children are angry or sad about things

they have a hard time expressing there feelings. Especially if they are afraid. How is her relationship with other people such as family members, friends, neighbors, etc, etc? You have tackled the first obstacle and that was to realize that your child has a problem. Keep and open mind and some good common sense. She isn't a bad child, she's growing up.

by Katieann, Mar 13, 2003 12:00AM
I agree that medication is not the best answer but I would definately get the opinion of a dr or professional of some kind. The behavior that you are discribing ie; abusing the animals, striking other children are all signs that something is very, very wrong. Children have a very difficult time expressing fear & anger and they resort to this type of action. I can't impress upon you how important it is that you find outside help for your daughter. I don't believe that it is simply a matter of a child testing the limits of a single parent. I think it could be something has happened to her that she is having a very hard time dealing with and her frustration is leading to this out of control behavior.



I wish you the best and commend you for seeking help for you and your child.

Katieann

by eah2802, Mar 24, 2003 12:00AM
My heart goes out to you.  I don't have any children of my own yet (trying), so my opinion is pretty unqualified.  I just wanted to add that I hope you will find a counselor or therapist for yourself to help you cope with the extraodinary stress you are under.  I don't know what sort of resources you have available, but just like in the airplane where you have to put on your own oxygen mask before helping your child, I hope you are equally determined to find support resources for yourself.  For example, if your child has been diagnosed with a disorder, you might be able to take time off from work under FMLA to help with her treatment--even if that means taking a week to be able to taker her to a specialist daily.  Let your employer's HR department know what you're going through--they may have free counseling resources available for both you and your daughter.



I have seen a news documentary (might have been 60 Minutes) about children with very violent misbehavior--to the point of one little boy (4 yrs old) pulling a knife on his mother.  They did a documentary about it because this seems to be an increasing phenomenon, and the parents and other (normal) siblings were just about at their wits' end looking for help.  Some of these kids responded positively to a very structured, routine, predictable environment, where discipline and consequences were regularly and consistently enforced.  The parents all commented on how incredibly time consuming and draining it was for them to establish that sort of environment at first, but that they started to notice some improvement after that.  Maybe there's a specialist in your area who has experience with this.



You have good instincts as a mother--if you feel someone's diagnosis is missing the mark, go get another opinion.  Also, you might consider keeping the pets out of her way or temporarily with a friend until her behavior becomes less violent.  Good luck and I hope you're able to find some help and support.

by pjg2, Apr 13, 2003 12:00AM
I have not had classroom training about children so take my comments with a brain of salt.  But I have a child now 6, of whom I am a single parent, and who seriously made me wonder from age 3 to 4 if one or both of us were going to survive her.



I worked a great deal and did not spend much 'quality' time with her -- that means undivided attention to her, listening, caring about her openly, not just sitting in the same room watching TV of course.  She behaved so badly sometimes, despite timeouts and me sometimes breaking down and stomping out to cry somewhere lest I harm her in my frustrated rage, that I seriously thought she was just severely emotionally screwed up due to her father and I's breakup (though it was kind and gentle compared to most) and I even wondered if I should let him raise her, I had such a hard time.



But when I arranged my schedule to have regular time to spend with her every night, things changed.  Not right away of course.  But she literally 'blossomed' under my attention. Granted, time with me became a hinge for behavior, but I made a point not to 'keep me from her' for more than say 15 minutes, 30 at the most on a weekend, as I had a feeling that was the main thing needed.  That turned out to be the only thing that really motivated her to stop acting out so much. When she stopped feeling frantic about not having me and enraged about it as well, when she could depend on me being 'there for her' and not just physically, she really did improve.



I might mention one other thing.  I was an emotional mess when her primary behavior problems began, and a wimp about dealing with it, as I had such massive job stress and financial worries and emotional after-effects from my marriage that frankly, I just did feel UP TO the job of dealing with her.  I'm convinced in retrospect that she was taking on and acting out a lot of stuff for me.  



Forcing myself to sleep regularly, eat well and regularly, spend at least a little time on myself every day, and discipline myself to a positive outlook (that takes real work, 100 times a day), not only had a major effect on her, but on me as well.  She improved, but I did too. Now I look back and see that I overreacted as much as she did and probably helped create that cycle.  Since then, I think we met in the middle somewhere.



Now she is six.  She is what I'd figure is a typical six year old, behavior-wise.  She has learned to be demanding of my time if I don't voluntarily share it, as I get involved in programming and space out the world.  She's generally smart and creative and happy and doesn't have any more issues in school or with other kids than other children her age do.  And at home, we have a really loving relationship I feel wonderfully glad for.



I don't know that my experience is of any value to you.  But it's been my observation that it's impossible for any person to have a healthy relationship with another person if they are not healthy themselves in that area--whether a child, a mate, a boss, anybody.  Toddlers are probably the biggest strain on a woman there is (short of hosting a war in her living room), and the fact is, they DO require resources of energy, emotional flexibility, immense patience, and more.



I think if you put a serious focus on improving your own personal health, you will have a lot more strength of mind and heart from which to make good decisions about your child.



I hope whoever posted that about ritalin doesn't have any kids.  Sheesh.



PJ

by kidsrus, Aug 19, 2003 12:00AM
This message is to nygrl. There is hope. My son who is now almost 13 was just like that when he was your daughters age. He actually killed a puppy by putting it in a trash can after I scolded him several times and finally put the puppy outside. When I wasn't looking he brought the puppy back in and I heard it yelp. Believe it or not he is the biggest animal lover there ever was and his best friend is his dog tubby!!!!! He went through the hitting stage and was so aggressive I was always crying over him. I finally started counting to three and if I got to three and he wasn't doing whatever I told him he was scolded. Even if I got to three and then he decided to go ahead to do it I told him it was too late... it was suppose to be done before I got to three. He still listens to me when I do that. As far as time out I had to litterally sit on my son to keep him staying sitting down until his time was out Whatever his age is what you make the time to be. It was hard on me to but it showed him that he has to da it one way or the other. I continued to have problems with him but it soon went to severe separation anxiety and depression. I couldn't go anywhere and neither could he without thinking that I was going to die and it soon turned out he wouldn't go to school (they would call me because he was histerical) had diarhea and was vomiting. They threatened to put him in a boys home at 9 yrs old. I knew deep down there was something wrong so the next day I called what is known here as Mullberry Center for people who were having these kind of problems, and admitted him to stay there. He stayed 6 days and I could only see him for 10 minutes a day. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my life. They hels him down when I would leave and he would scream. I was going there taking parenting classes to help me to deal with him and learn how to make both our lives better. He finally met his goal 6 days later and was able to come home. The first couple of days were very trying but I stuck to what I learned in the parenting classes and he finally started doing better. Now he is going through the smart ellic stage and I have a whole new way of life to deal with but I started taking college classes that pertain to this behavior to hepl mine and other peoples children when in dire need. I hope my story will help you. Hang in there and be PATIENT. You're doing a good job.

by kidsrus, Aug 19, 2003 12:00AM
This message is to nygrl. There is hope. My son who is now almost 13 was just like that when he was your daughters age. He actually killed a puppy by putting it in a trash can after I scolded him several times and finally put the puppy outside. When I wasn't looking he brought the puppy back in and I heard it yelp. Believe it or not he is the biggest animal lover there ever was and his best friend is his dog tubby!!!!! He went through the hitting stage and was so aggressive I was always crying over him. I finally started counting to three and if I got to three and he wasn't doing whatever I told him he was scolded. Even if I got to three and then he decided to go ahead to do it I told him it was too late... it was suppose to be done before I got to three. He still listens to me when I do that. As far as time out I had to litterally sit on my son to keep him staying sitting down until his time was out Whatever his age is what you make the time to be. It was hard on me to but it showed him that he has to da it one way or the other. I continued to have problems with him but it soon went to severe separation anxiety and depression. I couldn't go anywhere and neither could he without thinking that I was going to die and it soon turned out he wouldn't go to school (they would call me because he was histerical) had diarhea and was vomiting. They threatened to put him in a boys home at 9 yrs old. I knew deep down there was something wrong so the next day I called what is known here as Mullberry Center for people who were having these kind of problems, and admitted him to stay there. He stayed 6 days and I could only see him for 10 minutes a day. It was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my life. They hels him down when I would leave and he would scream. I was going there taking parenting classes to help me to deal with him and learn how to make both our lives better. He finally met his goal 6 days later and was able to come home. The first couple of days were very trying but I stuck to what I learned in the parenting classes and he finally started doing better. Now he is going through the smart ellic stage and I have a whole new way of life to deal with but I started taking college classes that pertain to this behavior to hepl mine and other peoples children when in dire need. I hope my story will help you. Hang in there and be PATIENT. You're doing a good job.