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Bipolar? or just a mess?
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Roger Gould, M.D. - Mental Health, Wellness
Questions posted in the Mental Health forum are being answered by Dr. Roger L. Gould, author of the Mastering Stress and Depression program and affiliated with the UCLA. Department of Psychiatry. Topics covered include anger, attention deficit disorder (ADD), bipolar disorder, dementia, electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), learning disabilities, memory, obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD), panic, personality disorders, phobias, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), schizophrenia, stress, transitions, and work problems.

Bipolar? or just a mess?

by SillyMe, Jul 10, 2003 12:00AM
I am wondering if I really have bi-polar disorder.  I can look back and clearly see episodes of mania as well as depression, so at the surface even I would agree I have it.  But as I look closer at my life over the past 15 or so years, I wonder if the ‘symptoms’ exhibited were really caused by circumstances and events.  For instance, the second depression I can recall (I was 14 at the time) happened at the same time a good friend of my brother’s died – we were all close to him and his family and it shook us up (The first depression I can recall experiencing was when I was 12 and all I did was lay around and read or sleep).  



As a young adult I was in an emotionally and sexually abusive relationship for several years, he even raped me and once ran a knife over me as we were having sex. I never reported him or sought counseling and have never brought it up to anyone and sometimes it haunts my thoughts, popping out of nowhere.  During that time I would alter between mania and depression with not much if any ‘normal’ time between – but I don’t know if it was because of the stress and abuse I was trying to deal with or because of the disease.  I was diagnosed in 95 with major depression and that was changed in spring of 96 to bi-polar with suicidal ideations after a manic episode where I cut up my arm and wound up in the hospital.  Since then I have had several depressive episodes, some more severe than others and only one manic episode that I suspect was induced by paxil (my p-doc put me on it to try after a hospitalization for a suicide attempt).  I have had periods of hypomania.  



Right now I don’t know what’s going on with me.  I know I am stressed from work and home life (my mom had a stroke last December – she is doing very well, but not quite herself) I am so angry all the time, yelling at people and having to bite my tongue so I don’t say something to get fired or start a huge fight at home.  I’ve had to actually sit on my hands and count in my head during meetings at work to keep from getting up and walking out or saying how stupid they all are and I don’t need to be there.  I am not sleeping well, am rarely hungry.  I have tons of thoughts racing around my head all the time.  I am aware of and try to discourage some distorted thinking, especially the thought that someone is always watching me with a camera in the heater registers in the ceiling.  I know this is not true, but the thought is often there.  I used to hear a voice in my head, they put me on an anti-psychotic med for a few months and that stopped it.  Sometimes I just want to be dead for a little while.  I cut sometimes–makes me feel better for a little bit.  I don’t know what to think.  I take Neurontin and Ativan.  My doc gave me Trazodone, but my hair started falling out like when I took Depakote, so I won’t take it anymore.  I just want to give up – I’m so tired of shrinks, therapists and pills, but I have a 4 year old and honestly she’s the only thing keeping me going.

by Roger Gould, M.D., Jul 11, 2003 12:00AM
You are understandably tired of all these shrinks and therapist but they are still what you need...especially the therapist.  make sure you have some who you can talk to and trust and who has a way of making you think about life with perspective and understanding, not just talk about symptoms or immediate crises.  That is what you are missing now, from what you are saying here, and that is what can get you back on a good and hopeful track.
Member Comments (9)

by AmberHunter, Jul 11, 2003 12:00AM
i just wanted to tell you that i read your post and am thinking of you and your child.



i know it is disheartening to go through so much only to end up at one brick wall after another. nobody wants to go through starting and stopping meds b/c they don't work or they have side-effects. but you need to take special care b/c you do have the cutting issues going on.



i went through alot before i finally found myself on medication that helped me. i think i tried everything under the sun and i just couldn't seem to get any kind of stabilization of my mood (mostly very dark depression). finally i tried something for long enough and it started to work and i feel normal for the first time in my life!



you are not alone, stay with a therapist and keep looking around for more boards for bipolar patients, i am sure there must be more out there that you could find by doing a search!



good luck,



amber

by Sunny03, Jul 16, 2003 12:00AM
I am not familiar with bi-polar depression, however I went through a period of depression (6 weeks to 3 months) during which I experienced all kinds of trauma.  What helped me most and probably the reason I experienced healing was 30 minutes of exercise (strenuous) three times a day at first then once a day as I began to feel and look better.  A healthy diet which includes lots of water and low calories (no dairy products) was also helpful. Reading books such as Dr Phil McGraw, PhD.,'s Self Matters, was exceptionally helpful; following the academic exercises in those books is most helpful, if monotonous and boring at times.  I think most of us think time will do the healing but I believe time needs a lot of help.  Good luck and God bless!

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by Sydney0503, Aug 05, 2003 12:00AM
I just read your post and my heart goes out to you.  Please may I suggest that you seek help through God.  Please pray for Him to bless you and direct you to people who can truly give you direction but most importantly His power that can truly change your life.  He promises we can have life and have it more abundantly...anger, self-doubt, depression, frustration, boredom, phsycotic hysteria are all conditions of needing Him.  I believe that attitude and behavioral changes through Him is the answer, not shrinks and meds.  You have a little girl/boy that needs you and you should not put that child at risk on meds and hopelessness.  Their is hope and a future for you and it is a prayer away - please read that the only answer to your pain is Jesus Christ.  I know I sound religious but what have you got to lose.  Read the Bible and see for yourself.  Find a God fearing BIBLE church...suggest watching  Charles Stanley on Tv on Sunday mornings...HE IS FABULOUS and can help you learn about God.  Thanks and God Bless.

by winebev, Aug 06, 2003 12:00AM
My heart goes out to you, truly.  You have been through a war.  You are going to grow from this tremendously and really develop character.  Charles Stanley is amazing and I agree w/ the above post.  You should consider listening to Christian radio (Charles Stanley, Dr. David Jeremiah) or maybe reading some self-help books.  God understands what you are going through and sometimes he throws obstacles in our life so that we will turn to Him.  I think you should continue to take your medication and seek counseling as well.  Don't give up this fight.  Meds and counseling are God-given and can only help.

by crazymama, Oct 22, 2003 12:00AM
Wow, either there are a lot of crazy religious nuts out there, or the bible is really helping some of us bipolar types.  I never, NEVER NEVER was into the bible before the last year of hardship that I've had -- 3 depressions, 2 hypomanias and one psychotic mania while on antidepressants.  I have three young children and I have been suicidal, as well as crazily manic and having visions of God while being responsible for them.  SCARY.  I have felt like giving up -- this is too hard!!! I am always struggling!!! I started taking bible lessons from a Jehovah's Witness while really at a low this winter (o.k., you can all laugh now).  But this woman comes by my house 2 or three times a week to check on me/convert me to her cult.  So far she has not suceeded in converting me but she has made me beleive in God, and I feel like I have a set of rose colored glasses to put on when I'm feeling like this struggle is too great.  This new spirituality is really grounding for me -- If I start panicking I pray, and I calm down.  If things start looking gray, I look around me and remember that everything around me is an absolute miracle.  I feel like a born again Christian or something -- I have a desire to change -- a new motivation to be GOOD.  It's too easy to get pulled into darkness -- depression, drinking, woe is me, poor poor me, etc, etc.  I'd love to just sit at a bar and drink whiskey and cry.  Depression/mental depression is really seductive that way.  This Christian stuff is motivating me to choose the other path -- happiness, health, cut out all of the drinking, control my rages, be more generous and kind, blah blah blah.  I hope it works.  The meds sure aren't much to count on.  What else but God is there to count on when you've lost control of your mind/emotions/moods/anger, lost friends, almost lost a good husband...  I find comfort knowing (trying to believe) there is a God who is always there to turn to.

by winebev, Oct 28, 2003 12:00AM
To: crazymama
There is absolutely a God to turn to and He sees and knows all of your hurts and struggles.  He has gotten me through some excruciating times.  Life itself with all of its blessings, mysteries and miracles declares there is a God.  We may not understand everything and frankly we're not supposed to.  That's where faith comes in.  Be leary of false teachings though and try to read the Bible for yourself and come to your own conclusions.  Some religions are very misleading and don't teach the truth.  I hope you find comfort in knowing that God loves you and wants what is best for you and will never leave your side.  "I can do everything through him who gives me strength."  -Phileppians 4:13
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