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Cavernous Hemangioma - Thalmus
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Cavernous Hemangioma - Thalmus

by Amy, Dec 31, 1999 12:00AM
Dear Neurosurgery Forum Physician,



     Thank you so much for having this forum.  I have learned alot by reading through all the questions and answers.  

     I am 35 yrs old.  In 10/99 I had a bleed in the Thalmus of my brain. One day I noticed the right side of my face was numb. I thought it was fatigue and ignored it.  Three days later I woke up in the middle of the night and the left side of my body from head to toe felt tingly and numb.  There was an ever so slight headache behind my right eye. The next day I went to the doctor who sent me to the hospital. The doctors feel it is a 2 cm cavernous hemangioma right in the Thalmus. The did an MRI and angiography. I have a repeat MRI sch. in Feb. to make sure it is not a tumor. The sensation in the left side of my body still is tingly and numb and I notice I have headaches from time to time.  They want me to report any changes.  Some days my left side feels more tingly than other days and I have that sort of floaty dreamy sensation I had when I had the bleed.  The other thing is my short term memory seems to be affected and I am more tired than usual. I tend to make excuses like we're all tired, it's the holidays! Are these symptoms typical and do they improve? They said if I bleed again they will want to take me to surgery as my risk for death outweighs the risk for negative consequence of surgery.  I understand these gps of vessels have a tend to bleed, heal and rebleed.  How common is it to rebleed and does the chance of rebleed decrease with time?  Also, I have no children, would pregnancy put me at risk for rebleed? Finally, I plan to move to a location about 10000 ft in elevation.  Could this pose any problems?  Wow, I unloaded all my questions!  If you can help with any of these questions I really do appreciate it.

     Again, I appreciate your forum and want to say thanks for the time and interest you give us all.

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Dec 31, 1999 12:00AM
Dear Amy:



Sorry to hear about your cavernous angioma, especially the location.  The thalmus is the sensory regulatory pathway of the brain.  So, having a hemorrhage in this area would definitely affect your sensation.  As the thalmus is located near the hippocampus area where memory is generated.  However, unless you are left handed, most of the written and verbal memory is located on the other side, the left hemisphere.  It is not uncommon for these to bleed, and there are no predictors for this.  The brain regulates its pressure and so living at 10,000 feet would not be much more of a risk then living at sea level.  Pregnancy might put some added risk, but the degree of risk would be individual.  It would depend on how big the angioma, the problems encountered in the pregnancy such as seizure, high blood pressure, etc, and the difficulty of delivery.  Your age is also a factor, since you are alittle older.  I would speak to someone who has seen the MRI, knows you, and can follow you during the pregnacy.



Sincerely,



CCF Neuro MD
Member Comments (38)

by Dear CCF Neuro MD, Dec 31, 1999 12:00AM
Thanks so much for your input. Don't have to worry too much about pregnancy at this point but the thought has crossed my mind due to the biological clock ticking. :) Do the sensory changes ever get better in this kind of bleed? Sometimes the sensation almost feels burning or humming.  The main thing I guess at this point is that I don't rebleed. Seems from reading that rebleeds are kind of common.  Hope this isn't so in my case! Anyway thanks again for all your advice and for being here!

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Dec 31, 1999 12:00AM
Dear Amy:



The sensory changes will be your clue that something is going on with your thalmus.



CCF Neuro MD

by Amy, Dec 31, 1999 12:00AM
DEAR CCF NEURO MD,

THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR INPUT. WILL KEEP MYSELF ALERT TO ANY CHANGES WITH SENSORY, ETC.  HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 02, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Amy:



Your are very welcome, Happy New Year to you also.



CCF Neuro MD

by Tina in PA, Jan 07, 2000 12:00AM
Hi, ,I would like your comment on my condition...Sept. I got hit on the left side of my face.  It killed a tooth, dislocated my jaw and damaged my sphintur muscle in my left eye.  Today I talked to the neuro surgeon after repeated CT's and MRI's.  They now tell me the fluid on the whole underside of my brain is not from the injury I sustained, it is a large fluid cycts and that part of my brain is missing??? But I don't understand ,  They say this is not causing the terrible headaches & I don't have to go back.  They are not removing it either.  I did not have the headaches til after the time of the injury? What do you think should I get another oppinion?  I Going to turn 30 on the 18th??  Your advice will be treasured, Thank-you Tina

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 08, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Tina:



I am not sure what to make of your posting.  Headaches can be from arachnoid cysts, if that is the type of cyst they told you that you had.  If the cyst has been there your whole life (a possibility) and you didn't have headaches before the accident, then they are probably correct.  It may be that you have traumatic induced migraine or headache.  I would talk to your neurologist about this.  Maybe a visit to a headache specialist.



Sincerely,



CCF Neuro MD

by Amy, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
Quick update. Guess this is kind of rare. Will repeat MRI next mo. to make sure it is not a different kind of brain tumor. If cavernous hemangioma may benefit from gamma knife. Not sure as so deep in Thalmus. If no surgery indicated I will go about my life peacefully and chalk it up to increasing awareness.

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Amy:



I am not sure whether gamma knife is a viable long-term option.  The possible side effects likely outweigh the possible benefit of not doing the surgery.  I would doubt that your cavernous angioma is something else, because very few things would look like a cavernous angiom on MRI.



CCF Neuro MD

by Amy, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
Thanks. I prefer to not have anything done. They tend to feel the same but want to repeat the MRI to see what's what. I seem to find alot of conflicting data about percentage of rebleeds. In the big pic I guess it doesn't matter because it will do what it does. Still once in awhile I think about it. Esp if the left side is real tingly. One day at a time. Thank you again.

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 11, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Amy:



You are welcome.  Stats are just numbers generated from retrospective studies and the number do vary.  However, overall the percentages are not all that high.  They are in your favor of not bleeding.



Sincerely,



CCF Neuro MD

by Evie, Jan 26, 2000 12:00AM
I am in a similar situation to Amy's, having been diagnosed with a cavernous angioma in the cerebellum peduncle and been advised to wait and see what happens.  In my case leakage or "oozing," which occurred 12/99, caused double vision, vertigo, nystagmus and tinnitus, plus throw in a few headaches.  Most of my symptoms have cleared up, and I am happy to avoid surgery, but I would still like to know the prognosis for this condition.  I am a professor and am unable to teach when these sypmtoms occur.  I also plan on doing research in Southeast Asia in a year and wouldn't want to have a rebleed while I'm there.  I understand that they might or might not rebleed, but have only seen the figure of 2% a year likelihood of a rebleed. Let me ask you, in your experience at the clinic, what has typically happened with patients who have been diagnosed with cavernous angioma and been advised to wait-and-see? Do most of your patients with this end up not having to have s