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Lymes?
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Lymes?

by jan, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
I just found out a rash I had 2 summers ago very neatly fit the description of the rash assoc. with Lyme's. I was tested, but it was neg. (dr. never saw the rash). I have been doctoring for over 1 1/2 yrs. with a neurologist for dizziness, fatigue; hearing,but not understanding; feeling like I have a brain fog, while having that fog feeling I can't concentrate, hold a conversation, talk or spell well.  I lose my balance once in awhile and I get a wave feeling in my head that feels like it is going to knock me over.  I had a sleep study,blood work, EEG, EMG, 24 hr. holter, echo, and finally a tilt table.  They have found I have Inappropriate Sinus Tachycardia and neurocardiogenic syncope.  I, also,have mild MVP with mild MR and TR.  Since starting treatment for these I feel much better, but I still have my days of fatigue, although they aren't as frequent or 1/2 as bad.  I, also, have some joint pain from time to time. I've always contributed that to Raynaud's. Could this possibly be from Lyme's, most people seem to suffer with more symptoms? Have you ever heard someone describe a wave going from back to front on top of their head?   Sorry so long.  Thank you.

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Jan:



The typical rash seen with Lyme can also be seen in other skin related diseases or entities.  The first question is whether you live in an area associated with Lyme disease.  It would be rare for someone who lived in southern california to come down with lyme.  Second, what is your lyme titer?  Lyme seems like it can mimic alot of different disease entities.  If you think that you might have lyme, by all means go get tested.  We have seen patients with many different types of disorders comment on the feeling of a wave (usually of pain) over their head.  Many of these patients have migraine or a migraine variant.  Some of these patients have an autoimmune disorder (Raynaud's would qualify).  So, I would talk to your rheumatologist or neurologist and see what they think, given your disease entity.  The heart problems can also cause many of the symptoms you describe.



Sincerely,



CCF Neuro MD
Member Comments (28)

by Nal, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
First to Jan,

   Was your lyme titer negative or equivocal (neither positive nor negative)?    



Second to the Neuro,

     I have some similar symptoms, but I also get burning througout me body, twitches, tingling sensations, ear and throat problems and feelings like one side or the other of my whole head and face are going to go numb.  I saw 3 neuros who all agree this cant be neurological.  My lyme titer was done 3 differnet times.  The first 2 times it came back neither positive nor negative (something called equivocal?)  The third time it did come back negative.  What could these test results mean?

by jan, Jan 10, 2000 12:00AM
Thank you for your response.  I live in NJ and that particular summer was bad.  We found ticks (not deer ticks) in our home and even 1 in our bed, we had to treat our yard.  We have seen deer in our yard, even right next to our house.  When you ask what my lyme titer is, I'm not sure I know the meaning of this.  Is it a count of some sort?  You can have Lyme's and a neg. result, can't you?  If my dr. gives me another and it is neg., should I let it rest and chalk it up to my heart?  Most of the people I have heard of with Lyme's have more serious symptoms, but reading about the rash has made me a little wary.  Thanks, again for your time and help.

by jan, Jan 11, 2000 12:00AM
Would you mind giving me information about Raynaud's?  I don't really know anything about it, other than the symptoms my sisters and I experience, theirs are much worse than mine.  My eldest sister just found she could get treatment for her feet (nitroglycerin creme), we didn't know there was any treatment.  Is this disease progressive?  Is there something we should be doing for preventive measures?   Does it usually run in families? (My 2 sisters have it, but I don't think any of my 4 brothers do.  My dad has some terrible pain in his legs due to poor circulation, but I don't know if it's Raynaud's.  He's 81.) I don't even know what else to ask.  Thank you, once again.

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 13, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Jan:



Raynauds is a manifestation of a collagen vascular disorder.  It results from spasm of the vessels in an extremity.  The spasm causes the flow of blood to stop for a very short time and as the blood returns to the area, color changes of pale to blue to red occur.  Along with the color change, pain or numbness can arise.  The spasms are associated with changes in weather or temperature.  Yes, there is a genetic component but it is not a simple one gene disease.



Sincerely,



CCF Nerro MD

by baylesp@scescape.net, Jan 14, 2000 12:00AM
Last year I was diagnosed with lupus and was bedridden, fatigued to the point of dizziness, and totally unable to keep up with 2 small children.  I saw 2 to 3 doctors a week.  After beginning to take a unique antioxidant and other supplements, my life has turned around.  My doctors have told me to keep doing what I am doing and are really happy with my new health.  I have heard of people with Raynauds who have also had great responses to these same supplements.  You might want to look into such alternatives.

by jan to baylesp@scescape.net, Jan 14, 2000 12:00AM
Would you mind telling me what the supplements that you take are? When I can take supplements, herbs, and such as opposed to medicines, I do.  Thanks.  :o)

by CCF Neuro[P] MD, RPS, Jan 17, 2000 12:00AM
I hope you find the antioxidant your looking for.



CCF Neuro MD

by Thelma, Jan 20, 2000 12:00AM
Jan,  I have dizziness and the wave sensation in my head that feels like it is going to knock me over.  I have described it to my neurologist that it feels like I am standing with my back to a beach and being knocked over from behind by a huge wave.  I also have muscle fatigue and weakness on my left side, and a painful burning sensation on my skin at times.  I have had several tests but not a conclusive diagnosis yet.  This has been going on for over 5 years and I have got some relief from medication.  If you want you can e-mail me at ***@****.  The lyme test I had (5 years ago) was negative. Sometimes when I have those waves in my head I can't talk or move my arms, but it is very brief.

by jan to Thelma, Jan 21, 2000 12:00AM
Dear Thelma, Thanks for your response.  Your description is perfect, that is exactly what it feels like!  I don't experience the other symptoms you mention, however.  I don't think I am going to ask for another Lymes test because I read on one web page a description that I certainly don't fit.  It listed more severe symptoms, as I had suspected would be the case.  So... I am going to mention the "wave" to my neuro., even though I am really hoping he will discharge me (I hope I can talk him into it. I, almost did last time,over the phone, until I mentioned being dizzy).  Do you get other dizzy spells such as: real brief ones that do make you lose your balance slightly?  I am wondering if mine are connected?  I really can live with these things and hate testing, but I don't know if I really should mention them and to whom, my neuro. or cardio. Are you still testing?  What are tests are they doing?  If you get any answers let me know.  Good luck!

by Isn't it called, "Lyme Disease?", Jan 21, 2000 12:00AM
...what's all this talk of lemons and limes, anyway?