Are you still around to ask a question on Subutex? I am at a very high dose of Tram similar to what you were on. Question: Did you taper alittle on the Trams before going into the withdrawal stage to take the Sub? ANd, question #2, how far into withdrawal were you before taking the first sub pill? 24hours, 12 hours? Tram gets deep in your tissues so I wasnt sure how long to wait into the withdrawal before taking the sub. I hope you are still around to answer this? thanks.