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compulsive stealing/lying

Our son is now 22 and lives overseas. As a child and young adult he had been diagnosed with ADD and was placed on ritalin. He also began weekly therapy sessions which continued through age 18. In the past year, he has stolen from people close to him (family, friends etc) as well as from us. He lies habitually. He has decided not to continue his undergraduate studies and has not worked. His hygiene we have been told has deteriorated. He simply goes from place to place, mooching off of others. When confronted with stealing/lying, he typically will admit wrongdoing. We have another child who is a successful professional. Both were treated similarly as they were growing up. Is there any hope? suggested treatment? It appears he exhibits no affect or conscience unless he is caught...Please help us.
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ADHD can make people mature later than others. With this in mind, he is 22, but with ADHD, maybe he has the maturity of a 15 year old. I would imagine that's kind of tough-- being expected to act like an adult when you have the maturity of a teenager.  

However, maturity level aside, he is 22 years old. He is legally able to make his own decisions-- and unless you think that he is a real physical danger to himself or anyone else, you can't do much. If you think he will harm himself or someone else, you can contact the authorities to intervene. But if thats not the case, then there is not much you can do other than to suggest to him that he seek some professional help so that he can learn to cope with life.
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I suspect there is something else going on besides ADHD- either he was misdiagnosed or this is in addition to the ADHD.  SOunds like he really needs to seek mental health treatment but as the above poster mentioned, at his age, unless someone can say he is a danger to himself or others, he has the right to deny treatment.
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my heart goes out tp you i have an 11 yr old son who has adhd and aspergers syndrome he has been staeling from friends and family and local  shops for about 12 months without any shame like your son he never denies it he is no longer allowed out un supervised as he cant be trusted will it ever stop ................. i hope so xx
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You are in my thoughts and prayers. I too have a daughter that shows no remorse unless she is caught and then it's only cause she was caught, not because she feels bad. She shows an inability to control her lying and stealing and aggressive behavior.. I am looking into a personality disorder (to be more specific as to what the disorder is called cuz there are several personality disorders and they are all treated entirely different.... hers I believe is Anti-Social (formerly known as sociopath)personality. A few of the symptoms being:
    *  Chronic irresponsibility and unreliability
    * Lack of regard for the law and for others' rights
    * Persistent lying and stealing
    * Aggressive, often violent behavior
    * Lack of remorse for hurting others
    * Lack of concern for the safety of yourself and others
Hope this helps and you are in our prayers. I know they say that environmental issues can play a part but so can hereditary. I believe my daughters may be a combination of both cuz I was such a young mother (age 18) and had no idea as to what to do or how and patience. I got older and got married but had no clue what that was really all about either and it ended up in a divorce. I made my share fair of mistakes as did my ex husband but I am sure that neither of our mistakes helped her. Her biological father however, signed his parental rights off when she was younger and made it clear he didn't want to have her around cuz it was too much work and she knew he said this. He still shows signs and symptoms of this type of personality disorder but he lets it go untreated (no meds and no therapy whatsoever)! She is never left alone with him because of this reason. I took her out of his life a while back cuz of safety issues and I didn't feel it should be a convenience thing for him and he has matured some but I think that is due to living with his mother who was recently diagnosed with Stage 3 cancer whom I still let my daughter see! It is not the grandparents fault that he signed his rights off so I refuse to punish them and I have been forgiving enough to give him a second chance as well, mostly cuz he lives with her! I use to go out to the bars a lot when I was married to my ex when things started going down hill and never really established a close relationship with my daughter and now that we are close, I feel as tho I am too late. Not that I will ever give up on achieving that relationship cuz she means the world to me along with her baby sister and 2 brothers. I am happily and I do mean very happily married today to my best friend of a year and a half whom I have known 12 years! We do not share any children together cuz I can't have anymore, but together we have four! I have made some really positive life changes and the most important to me is accepting God to take over my life and my heart and becoming a Christian and child of God again. He has been my rock and my salvation! There is hope and it's thru prayer which is the most powerful! I don't say this cuz my situation is fixed... it is not by a long shot fixed and I call my physician tomorrow to see what treatments for my daughter are available. And then, I will once again discuss her symptoms and mention the hereditary issues and environmental issues and once more humble myself again before the doctor, psychologist my daughter and God to admit that I was not always the best parent in the world for allowing myself to stay in an abusive relationship with her father, allowing her to see us argue and see him physically, mentally and emotionally abuse me. She also seen my ex husband (not her bio father but her adopted father) and I argue verbally! She has been through a lot and I had something to do with it but I have changed and it's been at least 6 years that I have not been the same person and it didn't happen over night and I am sure I still have some areas even now to work on but I will get there. No matter what I have done or not done, my daughter knows this behavior is not acceptable and she will continue to receive discipline constructively for it. There is always hope through prayer! =)

Blessings to you and your family!
Deb
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I have a nephew who si 18. He constantly steals food from his parents house. So much so, his parents have a padlock on their bedroom door, and so does his twin brother. When he is not at home he goes to other family members houses and steals food. He will eat while he is there, then when they are out of the room he takes more. Often family members have commented that money and food have gone missing after he has paid them a visit. His twin brother on the other hand is a delightfull young man with great prospects. Their environment and upbringing has been the same. It begs the nature nuture debate. Everyone is at a loss on what to do with him.
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Lying and stealing are not symptoms of ADD. Your son seems to have some sociopathic tendencies. You have a very difficult problem and I have no idea what you can do about it. Surely his behavior has nothing to do with the way you raised him.
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My little brother has tourette's syndrome and FAS. He is exactly like your son.
FAS also causes the same symptoms as anti-social behavior it appears...
I have ADD and I am nothing like that...so  i agree with the mis-diagnosis thing.
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   My son is almost 19 he has a stealing and lying problem. He has also has adhd. He steals from his father and myself all the time along with others. He always lies saying he didn't do it when he finally admits to it its like he's not even sorry for doing it. He's sorry for himself for getting called out on it. I'm am so tired of this he needs help I don't no what to do ?
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My son sounds the same way. Constantly lying and stealing ever since he could do so. Alot of people have this problem, but no one can give an answer to it. It is some kind of mental disorder, it has to be. My son has lost everyone. His family, his friends, his little girl and now he is in jail. It is like a disorder he can't control. This is very frustrating and everyone just wants to through him in jail and forget him. He also has ADD. ODD shows alot of his symptoms.
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miss diagnosis it most likley ODD or anti social personality disorder
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     Just to set the record straight -  lying and stealing are very common signs of ADHD and ADD.  That does not mean that any of the above have AD/HD.  However, it is a common symptom of AD/HD (among other things).
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I don't know where to begin,.My 24 year old son has been stealing from his father and I since he was young teenager.  He has add never officially tested but he was in a IEP classes his whole life.  The doctor put him on some adderal medicine in high school but it only made him speedy.  Then we found out he was selling it.  He was also smoking pot in high school and we tried to help but nothing seemed to work.  He was arrested in high school for stealing with a friend car stereos.  He claimed he was an innocent by stander and we believed him.  I feel like I turned a blinds eye to a lot becase I wanted to believe he was good.  Looking back we should of helped him more back than,  Well now we have lost our business and our familu home and we are living with my sister and her husband.  My son comes home here late at night to sleep only. I just found out he has stolen my husbands wedding ring my brother in=laws wedding ring and college classes ring.  They are missing 2.000 dollars!  My grandmothers ring is also missing.  I am just sick to think he is that desperate to steal from his own family.  I love him so much he is a good person but he is very secretive/  He needs help I don't know where to turn.  He has no health insurance does anyone have any suggestions please!!!

desperate mother
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   Oh man, talk about double trouble - I feel for you and your family.
Under the new Obama care laws - kids can be under the parents insurance till they are 26.  But given your financial problems, this may not be an open choice?
   Sounds like he started self medicating in high school and probably is still doing it.  Unfortunately, thats kind of common for kids with untreated AD/HD.
   Since I don't really know how the welfare laws work where you live - my only suggestion is that it is about time to have a heart to heart talk with him.  Its time for him to face some reality.   The stuff gets returned  or he starts on a payment plan for replacement.  If he won't do that - he probably needs to be out in the world on his own for awhile.   Unless there is some kind of a dramatic change - things will only get worse.  
   This is a really difficult situation.  I would try and find some counseling for you and your husband to help you through this.  I wish I could help more.   Good Luck!
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MY 15 year old son was diagnosed early on with ADHD and he has been stealing for a long time. I suspect he is also FAE he is adopted. His moods , lying and stealing intersetingly almost always form me. I am so tired of it. He always does the hurt why are you picking on me or I should just die card when confronted with it. He has been to counselling is in an adapted program at school, he has few friends I suspect he steals form them though none have said so, he has very poor social skills. And yet that said I love him dearly and has can be the most helpful and kind child. It makes me so depressed and sad and angry all at the same time. I work hard and I cannot afford to loose the money he is taking. I have gotten to the point were I cannot take my purse home. I just am at my wits end.
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I am in the exact same boat as you. My son has been lying and stealing since he was a teenager. He is now 26 years old. We just found out he again stole checks from us and spent about a 1,000 dollars. He has stolen from his grandma and I have jewelry that I don't even know how long it has been missing. I go to get a piece of jewelry and it is know where to be found. This has been going on for years. I now lock up all my jewelry and extra checks in a safe. But sadly he still has the problems and now has a 2 year old son. We are desperate to find help for him. If you hear of anything please let me know. Best wishes for you it is a terrible thing to go through.
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Has in-patient hospitalization (mental health) helped any of these cases?
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Thank you for setting the record straight lying, stealing complusivness are definitely part of ADHD.  My heart goes out to all I am seeing this iwth my 26 yr old nephew, his Mom passed in Sept 2011, and she knew a lot about ADHD. He too has no medical and I need to try and get him in the right direction.  He is smart, artistically talented.  I wish you all well and success in finding treatment.  to allymymarbles, LRM1021. netcindy
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I am writing because I have a 11 year old daughter and I am at my wits end with her. My current husband has raised her since she was 2 years old and she thinks of him as her dad. She was 5 years old when she was diagnosed with ADD/ADHD. I tried medicine for her but she lost a tramatic amount of weight and walked around like a zombie so I stopped her medicine. Since she was 4 or 5 she has stolen and lied. I recently put her back on medicine and it seems to help a little with her focus but not the lies and stealing.She is failing in school and I dont know what else to do. My husband wants to send her to a military school over the summer and I don't want to send her away for the summer. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions for my problem?? Please help me.....
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   Her problem is caused by the ADHD.   Lying and stealing are common side effects with  kids because they have no filters and act very impulsively.
  Military school would probably be the single worst place she could go.  
      You said you put her back on the meds.  If you are using the same dose as when she was 5, its probably not enough.  I don't know what you are using, but these meds also have a limited working span.  Some only work for 4 hours, while others can work for 8 hours.  Point being, you should be doing this under the guidance of a doctor who can tweek the meds to her needs.
      I also highly suggest that you buy the book,  "The ADD/ ADHD Answer book," by Susan Ashley.  The book has a ton of things that will help you help her at home and at school.  (its only about $10 on Amazon).
      All studies have shown that a combination of therapy and meds produce the best results.  Military school is perhaps one of the worst things that I can think of to help her.  If you have any questions or need more information, please post.  Best wishes.
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Where do you start to get help ? My daughter has the same problem.
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I have similar problems with my daughter who is now 32. She began the lying and stealing at a very early age. We always punished her when it was discovered. She is smart ,pretty and has everything going for her but........... when everything is going well she always seems to destroy it. She has taken testing for ADD and was told she has ODD tendencies.  I am another parent at my wits end! She has a baby whom she and I adore. I don't know what to do . I am by myself in this due to my husbands death.  I feel the only way I will find piece is to die myself. It just never stops.
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I have always been afraid of exactly what you expressed here for children who become adults that have lied and stealed their whole lives.  My son is 25 yrs. now and he doesn't seem to be improving, he had spent most of his young adult life in and out of jail.  I am very afraid for him and what will become of his life.  If you have any more information or further knowledge of where I can look for more answers, please let me know. I know his case is hereditary.
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You have my sympathy. As parents we try to raise honest, responsible adults. But sometimes the problem is beyond our solving. Were it my son I would take him to a good psychiatrist and hope for the best. I hope you are not blaming yourself. You have done all you can. This sounds like a mental problem, not an environmental one.
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My apologies. I did not realize you were new on this thread and thought I was replying to the original poster.
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your an *** do you have a child with these issues? well I do  and I have raised my daughter right and for the last few years alone after her father my husband passed away in a car accident and I have other kids that are fine  so what I just ****** up the one kid? my daughter has add and stealing and lying my not be a classic sign but if you google it you will see that a lot of kids with adhd or add steal and lie are they are all sociopaths?
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I have a daughter who is just coming up to her 13th birthday. About 2 years ago, she started stealing food, make up from my bedroom, anything she can lay her hands on in the cupboards, opened all of her Christmas presents she has just found!!! Hides all of the rappers etc. Totally denys it, apart from when she is caught, but seems to not really care. No matter what, we can't get through to her at all. Lies all the time, saying its not her. Any advise on what's going on please, this is my first teenager. As I don't think this is normal behaviour. Also, she is very argumentative, although I know some of this is common teenage behavior, but to what extreme?!?!
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Hi Patti,

Its really soul destroying when your own child is stealing and lying. I am law enforcement agent and my partner's son has ADHD. He is in his teens and goes to a prestigious private school. His behaviour socially is getting worst in public, he is covertly destructive towards other peoples property. He will on purpose wreck the item or steal it.
Over a year now, I have noticed a number of occasions where money has gone missing from my wallet whenever I have stayed over at my partner's house. I caught him a month ago rifling through my bag, he said he was just mucking around. His mum is a successful professional and he has been stealing from her too. But unfortunately she is in self denial that her son is the culprit.
I am in a difficult position now, I have around $500 stolen and being around him agitates me. A close friend of his has told me that he is also shoplifting from a shopping mall after school.
The way he is progressing, adult life will be filled with illicit drugs and time behind bars.
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Its really soul destroying when your own child is stealing and lying. I am law enforcement agent and my partner's son has ADHD. He is in his teens and goes to a prestigious private school. His behaviour socially is getting worst in public, he is covertly destructive towards other peoples property. He will on purpose wreck the item or steal it.
Over a year now, I have noticed a number of occasions where money has gone missing from my wallet whenever I have stayed over at my partner's house. I caught him a month ago rifling through my bag, he said he was just mucking around. His mum is a successful professional and he has been stealing from her too. But unfortunately she is in self denial that her son is the culprit.
I am in a difficult position now, I have around $500 stolen and being around him agitates me. A close friend of his has told me that he is also shoplifting from a shopping mall after school.
The way he is progressing, adult life will be filled with illicit drugs and time behind bars.
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Actually, you have no idea what you are talking about in relation to ADHD.  You need to do the SCIENTIFIC research before you start throwing terms like "sociopathic" behavior out to a parent who is trying her best to parent an ADHDer.  I assume, by your sanctimonious tone, that you do NOT have a child with ADHD nor do you have it yourself. This is NOT a constructive comment.  More importantly, it is not accurate.
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Actually, you have no idea what you are talking about in relation to ADHD.  You need to do the SCIENTIFIC research before you start throwing terms like "sociopathic" behavior out to a parent who is trying her best to parent an ADHDer.  I assume, by your sanctimonious tone, that you do NOT have a child with ADHD nor do you have it yourself. This is NOT a constructive comment.  More importantly, it is not accurate.
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Ditto this comment, annasmommy.  The LAST thing we parents need is someone who doesn't know what the heck she's talking about creating a post that digs even deeper into our questions about the children we love beyond belief.  Even when they mess up--sometimes daily and hourly.  So, those of us who are intelligent, educated, up-to-date with KNOWLEDGE of our children's disorders will continue to empathize, educate, and support.  Must be nice to be able to sit up on that "pedestal" and put forth ideas that only tear down the psyche of others.  But that's not us. We'll continue to do the right thing, regardless of how hard it is. Take care.
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I completely agree with your comment. My brother is now 16 and he has been stealing since he was about 8. He would steal sweets, food and drinks all the time, even after eating, and then hide the wrappers in his bedroom. It has now got worse; he has been given 3 Saturday jobs now and has stolen from all 3. Both my brother and I were raised then same and I have turned out fine. He will always lie even when caught on CCTV red handed he claims he didn't do it. Lying and stealing are 2 very common traits of ADHD and my parents are now lost as to what to do. He has had every punishment under the sun but nothing seems to work. If anyone has any ideas please help. ONLY CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!! People who do not have ADHD children or siblings do not understand. I am close to reporting him to the police to hopefully get him back on track. He has ADHD he is not psychotic or anything.
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It would be helpful to know how his ADHD has been treated so we are not reinventing the wheel.    For example has he had behavioral therapy, medication, etc.
   Also, is it. More then just food now?  What kinds of things?  Were his Sat. Jobs working for your parents?
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He probably needs some counseling as there is probably more to his behavior than ADHD. Perhaps he has some unresolved issue for a long time which causes for this behavior to manifest.
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