I was or am curious, and perhaps this is too personal to ask, how many people have gone thru in patient treatment? And if you have done in-patient, if any one used the "adversion" method vs. the 12 step in patient treatment. I'm sure you have seen me post enough to know I am the mom of an oxy addict.... I am not looking for the magic answer, just looking for input regarding in-patient treatment and if so, what type would you recommend?
I apologize if this is an inappropriate question, if I get no responses, then I will know for sure!!! :) Thank you.
This is not inappropriate. It is in fact a matter of choice. Most of us here hesitate to answer a question of that kind, not because it is inappropriate, but because it is a question to be answered by a professional. It depends on the make up of the individual and it needs a hands on diagnosis in order to select the proper treatment. There is no magic answer as you will find out. Something of this sort needs to be evaluated by, as I mentioned before, someone who is well versed in selecting the proper treatment or steps to take. I am a former oxy addict and I can honestly say there is no set rules in treating anyone. We are all different metabolism wise and ," What is good for the goose may not be good for the gander," to use an old adage. So it is important that if you find yourself in a quandary that you seek expert help, but only if the methods you have tried are not working.
I'm sorry I certainly didn't mean to make anyone feel uncomfortable. There seems to be a lot of pregnancy addiction advise and questions, and I understand those to be medical in every sense of the word, I guess I saw my question more of where is the most success, absolutely not anything to do with my daughters mental or physical well being, I do leave that to the docs. Quite honestly, my daughter has done the in-patient 12 Step (not sure what the legit name is) she relapsed, she has a physciatrist and an addiction councelor and I have a group of "experts" as well. Unfortunatley not two experts seem to share the same opinion. Like I said I am not so naive to think there is a magic wand, if there were I would have found or bought it by now.
My daughter is going into a different treatment on the first, this one is an adversion program, and she actually made the arrangements, She is agnostic, as am I, just curious if anyone had used the adversion therapy before.
Thank you so much for your time. JoAnn, once again, I'll hope for the best. Thanks for your well wishes.
I spent a year seeing a physiologist to work out issues from my past and present that were causing the need for escape it was the best thing I have ever done for myself.. I have tried in patient when I was young and it did nothing for me... This is the first time I have felt so good and not weighted down with guilt and other issues.. Hope this helps a little.. lesa
Lesa, Thank you for your comments. Actually my daughter went into in-patient yesterday....... she had the traditional 28 day and for her.......not saying this about anyone else......but for her, it didn't quite work. She has been working with a physciatrist & an addiction councelor, but unfortunatley with the oxy she is a great manipulator, and has basically bs'd her way thru it.....She is very intelligent and what the drugs havent destroyed she can lie to the best of the proffessionals ... except for that small factor of losing her quality of life, and nearly her life. But thank you so much for the kind words, it is those little things that mean so much after a very long and emotional day. My best to you, Jeanette
I'm not sure what you mean by aversion therapy. If it's what I think it is, it's a bad idea, it rarely truly works.
I've done inpatient and the biggest problem is they don't really treat addiction, at all. What they tend to do is drop your dose down to zero, and then release you from the detox 12-24 hours after your last dose...which is right before you start to go into withdrawals.
Which is all but useless, if you ask me.
Keep in mind, there are better in patient detox's, but any detox that releases you like this without some form of after care, be it medication, therapy, or otherwise, is a waste of time and money.
I'm not really sure if you are asking me about her first time in treatment, or the one she is in now. The treatment center she entered yesterday is a 5 day medical detox from oxy, they were going to use clondinine (?) for the anxiety, but her BP is too low, they did start her on suboxone tonight once the w/d's were strong. Please know I am not passing judgement on anyone, or what they have used to beat addiction, but she will be on the Sub for only 5 days. After the med detox she goes into her actual "treatment" (which is on the same site of her detox, she doesnt leave) the time she is in treatment depends on how she is doing. But yes it is adversion therapy, and I know that is not very common or accepted, I feel kind of silly that I even ask the question. Desperate moms sometimes take way too desperate actions. The one thing that I do like about this place is they do not take your/her cell phone, she has her laptop, she can have visitors from 9 to 9, I have been there the past two days, they do not take deferred prosecution or court mandated patients, the philosophy is the center only wants you there if you want to be there. You will be out in the real world in 3 to 4 or 5 weeks, and you should not be in isolation for that time, you need to learn to cut all contacts and ties, and most importantly how to live in the real world. She is 21 she can walk away from any treatment center, at anytime, this is the only one that put the burdeon on her, if you will. The place she is in, the majority of patients were out of state, since this is "unique", I would say that 70% of the patients I met were oxy addicts, again, a high ratio for treatment centers.
I am so beat down, exhausted, emotionally broken, so incredibly sad, I am not trying to advocate any paticular type of treatment. I am just a mom who has tried everything with all I have, to help my daughter, and it was a silly question, and I am so sorry.
What a wonderful mom you are. Sorry you have to go through this.Nothing about your post is silly. Everyone here knows what you are going through. It sounds like you have your daughter at a good detox and rehab.Recovery is a lifelong deal. Your daughter has made another positive step in her journey. Hang in there mom, she will get there.
I totally agree- -- Please do not beat yourself up - -- you are sounding way too apologetic -- You are doing a great job of protecting and helping your daughter - -- -Keep it up no matter what anyone says--- keep searching for the answers - - you will probably find them. Best to you and your daughter - --
My daughter started on oxy for dental treatment. She worked in a hospital on the cardio floor, and the ER. When the dentist stopped giving them to her she took them from the hospital. She got caught in a random drug test and was fired. She could no longer afford oxy so got heroin and cocain on the street, She started snorting those, then mainlining then one night she got some really pure and died of an overdose. She was 38 and had 4 daughters. She had been in treatment several times. I begged her to come back to Ga. I would help her, and the girls. She refused. I wish I had gone up there and took her by her hair and brought her home.....Do WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO to help her....even if she doesn't like it. Love Jerri
I don't really get the "aversion therapy" part -- what's that all about? I went into a detox for nine days -- cold turkey, clonidine, valium, meetings most every day (several a day) and constant monitoring of my health, which you don't get at home. The staff were excellent, and after Day 5, I was out of the woods. The social situation helped a lot, even though I'm not very chatty.
I lefy early, "against medical advice," because I was ready to go back to work. The 12-step thing is definitely not my cup of tea, and was not involved in the treatment. I stayed off oxy's for two years, but a severe migraine four months ago led to Percocet, which didn't help a lot, and the next thing you know, I was buying oxy's off the street. Migraine gone, addiction back.
I'm going to CT again this week, at home with the option of a short hospital stay, and now I know what to expect ... it's unpleasant for about five days, and then you can learn coping skills, have a diagnosis re clinical depression (and an attempt to help get out of it), and, impotantly, a break from everything, time to think about one's situation, and be taken care of by professionals.
I strongly suggest she promise to call you if she intends to walk out -- one tends to make impetuous decisions when withdrawing -- so that you can stop her from throwing away what might be her best chance to get off this horrible drug.
Jeri, first and foremost, I want you to know how very sorry I am about the loss of your daughter, there truly are no words that can describe the death of a child, and the pain that never really heals. Our oldest daughter died of cancer, it was and is devasting, you can't bury your daughter and not bury a portion of your heart. The "circle of life" is not suppose to work that way. And yes with my daugter that is addicted, it has been my mantra "I will not lose my daugter to drugs". A very personal decision, for everyone to make for themselves.
All, Thank you for the words of encouragement, it truly means more than you may realize. This has been a longer and harder struggle than I ever imagined. Naively I thought I could "fix" all of this with love. My most brilliant attempt (not!) was detoxing her at home and taking her to her medical appts.addiction counceling, physicatrist, meetings, etc. She'd make it 5 to 7 days and relapse after 3 or 4 times of this cycle, finally had to face realtiy that was not woking. Altho, I love my daugher unconditionally, I can't believe one words she says. That may sound like an oxy moron, but it is the truth. So I can't make her promice to call me if she bolts for the door out of rehab, she could say "sure mom", but she wouldn't call me. She would be too ashamed. Even tho I am paying the bill, since she is of legal age I have absolutley no authority to have her held there, or anywhere else for that matter. Trust me I wish I could!!
She is on day 6, and now they are taking her off the suboxone, and she will be moved from the medical detox "ward" to treatment (same building). She will have the same doc and nurses and her health will continued to be monitired, She started individual counceling yesterday and will continue with daily individual and group counceling, in addiction to the "a" therapy treatment for the next 3 weeks. She has already been schedled with an addiction councelor for after care treatment.
Sorry this is so long, just trying to answer some of the questions.
Sammy, good luck to you as you detox this week, have you started yet? I hope you will get the medical treatment, if it will make it even just a bit easier for you. My thoughts will be with you, you sound so strong, may you always keep that committment!!
Thank you again for your support. Sincerely, Jeanette
I've tapered off on my own but I currently work for an in treatment facility and we have a very good percentage of people who do not relapse or have to go come back for in treatment or go to another in treatment facility. We also offer out patient help as well with counseling, group sessions, therapy, field trips, AA and NA and support groups as well and the success rate for the in treatment program is the same as the out patient program.
First things first though, in order to succeed, the person must be willing to accept there's a need for change and that they are ready to go take the step forward and do it.
Before you make the step, be sure to do some thorough investigating on the facilty and research other options as well. You can meet with many doctors from facilities and be sure that the doctors and staff have the personalities mesh with your child's.
Good luck and best wishes for you! This is not an easy decision.
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