Anyone want to talk politics?

Anyone want to talk politics? Hopefully it won't get deleted.
I support Obama. We desperately need a change. But if Hillary wins the primaries, then yes, I'll vote for her. Anyone but McCain. McCain should not even be allowed to run, he's just another Bush. And why hasn't Bush been impeached yet?

[allaboutmary]

Obama ! Obama ! Obama !  and dito to everything else.

[wait2long]

i triple ditto...i am a tad upset that he hasnt been impeached yet...clinton can get impeached over a b l o w  j o b???   give me a break!!!  bush breaks every law, with no accountability to anyone...not even us the people...HEY!!!  isnt he supposed to be working FOR us???  or is this a dictatorship!....WTF!?

[allaboutmary]

Thats exactley how it feels, a dictatorship. He could care less about the people in this country. He only cares about his rich oil buddies.  I think things have gone exactley as Bush & Cheney planned.  The rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer. The state of the country is shameful.  McCain just realized we are having a problem with the economy !  Where the hell has he been.  

WAKE UP AMERICA !   WE MUST TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA

[flmagi]

The following is President (not my President) Bush's Resume.  If McCain is elected, we will have the longest consecutive run of the worst Presidents in history.

Resume of an outgoing President

This individual seeks an executive position. He will be available in January 2009, and is willing to relocate.

RESUME

GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington , DC 20520

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

Law Enforcement:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport , Maine , in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been 'lost' and is not available.

Military:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader..

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.   I began my career in the oil business in Midland , Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas . The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union . During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida , and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President of the United States , after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the US. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My 'poorest millionaire,' Condoleezza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

I am the all- time U.S. and world record -holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history, Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to my administration than any President in U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States Government.

I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. . from the Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. 'prisoners of war' detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US election).

I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. Citizens and the world community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

I am supporting development of a nuclear 'Tactical Bunker Buster,' a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review. I specified that my sealed documents will not be available for 50 years.

Nice job George!     And this country put him in office twice.

[wait2long]

really puts things into prospective doesnt it...i am pissed off all over again after reading this...i just dont get it...and TWICE!?

[avisg]

LOL on the spacing the BJ......

[avisg]

I really dislike like all three of them ,it puts me in some what of a pickle

[VicUser]

I agree on the three, I want a do over!!!!!!!!!

[wait2long]

are you serious?  do you actually think anyone can be worse than this...lol.

[VicUser]

nope, I think these three are the bottom of the barrel

[Marce4]

I couldn't agree more on EVERYTHING you and Mary have said!!!!!!  I am so worried for my children if we have 4 more years of a Bush mentality in the White House and that's what we will get with McCain!!!! Say a prayer for change!

[Mikeinthesouth]

From one who spent 6.5 years in the middle east. Lets keep it republican....

[VicUser]

Mike thank you for your service to our country. I really don't want to see us cut and run either.

[wait2long]

i ciuldnt agree more...i am so worried about my childrens future...looks like college will be out of the question for them unless they get a sholarship, which is a possibility...but if we dont get things straight now, we are all headed for worse...my original choice dropped out but obama will do me fine, if he doesnt make it, then hillary will also..i know they will at least do something for the ever shrinking and disappearing middle class that is slowly sinking into poverty. we need help.
i am sick of barely scraping by as i have been for 6 years now...

bottom of the barrell?,  give me a break...we have been living at the bottom of the barrel for 7+ years now...no one could do worse than what we have had.
hes got a mighty fine looking resume, huh?  its downright embarrassing...

[flmagi]

It is an embarrassment to our country, and that we've allowed this idiot to serve 2 terms and not be impeached, its ludicris. I really can't beleive after 8 years of Bush, that anyone would vote republican is beyond me. People need to wise up, eduacate themselves and vote for who will help the people of THIS country. A republican only helps the rich. What does it take to make people smarten up and look at the facts?

[mimi1313]

I would vote for Hillary. I think we need a woman and she is a strong woman. I'm Republican and I won't vote for McCain.

[VicUser]

wait2long

As far as going to college, I paid for my own way, not my folks, my oldest son and his wife both paid for college themselves via ROTC and are both officers in the military. My youngest son has paid his own way by working 20-30 hours a week and going to college full time. So the BS of not being able to go cause of money is just that BS if they want it they can work for it.

Magi

I really like you and hope that this dialog doesn't make you dislike me. I am not happy with any of the politicians that flip flop on what they believe depending on the political wind. While I don't agree with everything President Bush has done at least he has backbone, be it right or wrong. I think that when the congress was Rep majority they did a bad job and I think that under Dem control they are doing just as bad.

[VicUser]

I don't know what to do, I may not vote for the first time. I am not sure we want more of the same either. Lets face it 4 Bush 8 Clinton 8 Bush it may be time for a total change, but I just can't get behind any of them.

I do know that I would vote for a good canidate Man, Woman, Black or White, I just don't see one here.

[mimi1313]

I know, that's why my mom always votes for Ron Paul. He has no chance but at least she votes for someone she believes in.

[122 Tactical Fighter Group]

Where is Thomas Jefferson when you need him?

[VicUser]

My fav was Harry Truman, not that I am that old....lol.

[GoingToMakeIt]

Ron Paul may well have been the best choice overall. As for the other 3...God help us all. Obamam has the most Liberal record of any president candidate ever. Hillary...well do we want another 4 years of Bill anywhere near the oval office and McCain, will he live through it if elected? I have always been Republican. When asked why, I say because they sell out our country slower than Democrats. ALL of the presidents since Truman (I believe) have been Rhodes scholars. Does this tell us something? There is a bigger agenda then the US. They are all working towards globalization. Don't be surprised when 1 day our country is a part of a world system and no longer the USA.

[Avalancheblanche]

Nicely put Dave.  From another Rebpublican....Having a very hard time with this election.

I say vote Pee Wee Herman.

[VicUser]

Snoopy is my man, or for that fact Lucy would be good

[GoingToMakeIt]

Even the Red Baron would be a better choice. :)

[Avalancheblanche]

Yeah, but, Pee Wee has his dog Spike....Who would be an amazing Vice Prez!

[allaboutmary]

Ok for all that don't like any of the three......We have tried Clinton, and Bush so trust me on this one ......VOTE OBAMA !    I mean we all must admit things are not going well in this country, right ?  So McCain would only be more of the same failed policies. Clinton is too tied to big business.   OBAMA has intelegence, compasion, logic, and forsight. He is no doubt the best of the three.

[VicUser]

I just don't know. First Obama has to win the nomination, if he does that there is a lot lately that makes me question his integrity and real motives for running. We still have several months until the election and I hope that whoever the final two candidates are they can make a good case for what they will do for the country, without all the BULL. However, we all know that the President doesn’t make the decisions alone it takes the Congress and House as well. I am so sick and tired of the politicians voting solely on party lines or what will get them elected and I wish they would grow a pair and do what is right for this country down the road.

However, until we all take responsibility for ourselves and stop depending on Uncle Sam to provide for us things will continue to get worse.

[flmagi]

LOL  I'm not mad at anyone for expressing their opions, be it republican or democrat. An intelligent political debate is great. I prefer it over swapping recipes any day! lol

[mimi1313]

Its funny that we concentrate so much on the National elections and our local elections and officials have more of an impact on our daily lives.

[flmagi]

As far as Uncle Sam providing for us,  well....... I think we should have universal health care. We lag behind other countries in taking care of our own people. But I also feel we need a much tighter welfare system, too much abuse there.
Where do we draw the line of Government doing for us? I don't want my taxes to go to welfare abuse or to line the pockets of politicians or to a war that was started on a lie. People in this country need help, but proper help and only the citizens of this country.  I'm tired of paying for illegal aliens to have health care, when I can't get it. I'm tired of this country sending jobs to Mexico and then haveing them come here illegally and sucking the life out of our system. Not one of the candidates is addressing this issue enough. The US is being invaded!  If the same amount of Iraqies (as Mexicans) were coming into this country illegally and doing what they are doing to our country, we'd be in code red terrorist alert. Home land security my a$$.

[flmagi]

Yeah, our local officials are another joke. I've been to town hall meetings on issues. The whole political system needs an over haul, from top to bottom.

[newgirl2708]

Politics, Religion? Vicoden, Percs?
This site's got it all!!!!!!!!!.

[newgirl2708]

oh yeah...and everyone...when you go to bed tonight and say your 'now i lay me down to sleeps' throw one in there of 'thanks' for not letting Newgirl out of her political cage. I am very, very, very political. Not commenting here just might be harder than the w/d's......
Whew...that was close....

Dear God, Thank you for not letting Newgirl open her mouth....Amen

[wait2long]

maybe when your kids went to college it was accessible, and possible to do on a minimum wage job at 7-9 bucks an hour...do you know how much it costs to go to a good college now compared to 8 years ago!?  its not possible to do anymore, and work 30 hours a week for 7-9 bucks an hour (IF your lucky to not get stuck at minimum wage), not happening, last i knew it had gone up 37% in the last 7 years, and you think that can be paid for with a job where the wages are the same as they were 13 years ago?  everything has doubled in 8 years...the costs and tuitions fees have skyrocketed...
maybe its been a while since you had to buy a gallon of milk every day, or check on college tuition, but these are things i pay attention to, IN THE NOW...

I say give me liberal any day...conservatives have dug a deep deep dark whole that our great, great grandchildren MAY still be paying for...and for what??go get Osama and get it the f**k over with!

[VicUser]

I am not talking 13 years ago, my oldest graduated last year and the youngest is in college right now with two years to go. My wife is finishing up her degree too, so I know about tuition cost as well as books and fees. No, I don't buy a gallon of milk every day but we each have our own costs that keep going up. I disagree that you can't do it, ok may be you can't go to an Ivy league school but between community college and state schools it is possible.

I do live in the now, and I believe that planning to take care of yourself is much better than depending on the government and the people that earn the money to pay the taxes.

[wait2long]

depending on the government and the people that earn money to pay the taxes???
WOW! that implication just floors me,....republican?
we pay PLENTY of taxes...for what?   dont accuse me of depending on the government and not paying my taxes!   i pay PLENTY in taxes....PLENTY.
i find your not REALLY looking at whats going on out there (the whole picture) or you would see it, instead of defending it.

your going to really say tuition hasnt gone up DRASTICALLY in the past 6 years?
and its affordable for everyone? education should be affordable for everyone in all walks of life...my boys are young, college is 9 and 10 years away...dont even imply i dont plan or am depending on government handouts...
ivy league?  never entered my mind...not once...????????????

wow...i am floored.....

[Jacqui805]

Perhaps you guys could live on my own island if I ever get one?  I'll personally kick off all the a$$-wipes.

[VicUser]

I am not defending anyone or anything and I am looking at the whole BIG picture. Whether I am Republican, Democrat or Independent doesn’t matter. I look at what it takes to be self sufficient and get ahead.

I made no comment about tuition not going up, in fact I said that of the four members of my family that two are in school right now, one just graduated and besides that I just finished grad school a few years ago. Yes even at my advanced age, I am still trying to stay on top and have an edge. I see no reason for tuition to go up as much as it has and would like to see something done too. We could get on a whole new discussion on the **** that our kids are being indoctrinated with in the state run schools, but that would take away from this conversation.

I wasn’t implying that you want or will need gov’t help to send your kids to school, I am just saying where there is a will there is a way. I don’t buy the BS that anyone can’t afford to get an education, maybe they can go full time, but even part-time the goal can be reached.

[VicUser]

I'll move to your island, but then I would have to wipe my own a$$

[Jacqui805]

I may not make any friends here by saying this, but I think the PEOPLE need to stand up unified and demand what they want and need....and sit down to things that are bull.  PEOPLE make change, and people can do it on every single issue at hand.  WE are more powerful than any government leader....it is US that they are working for.  If we ALL stopped doing certain things, like driving our cars for a while, while it would be hard on us, the end result may be favorable.  If we ALL stood up for people who are disjointed from their own communities, like gay people for example, by literally standing up and saying WE ARE ALL gay, they'd be harder pressed to discriminate against them.  IF we REFUSED to watch the ridiculously BIASED media, we'd ALL HAVE OUR OWN opinions, and wouldn't be stuck hearing about people like Paris freakin' Hilton and what not.  If we ALL walked into our grocery stores and up to the checkouts will FULL carts, and then after receiving the price, said, NO WAY, I'M OUTTA HERE, more folks WOULD LISTEN.  I'm not saying it'd be easy, but then, nothing worth something is EVER easy to go for....Look at why we're on this forum in the first place.  Most things in this country that are not so swell, are for the most part, because WE THE PEOPLE TOLERATE and ACCEPT them.  We don't like it, BUT we don't do anything about it.  The govt. gives us what we will tolerate, what we will accept, nothing more, nothing less.  In the meantime, I'll be waiting on my island for more settlers or until this cr*p right's itself.

[avisg]

plz remember there is a fine line between debating and arguing .... we need to keep it as as  a debate .

[Jacqui805]

You are hereby, WELCOMED!  We've got plenty of t.p. and it's affordable....Please refrain from using the leaves, as they are apart of our decor.   Thank you!  : )

[VicUser]

Well said

[avisg]

with my luck if I tried to use a leave it would be poison ivy LOL    ouch

[Jacqui805]

No, sweety, poison ivy's banned on my island.  It serves no purpose other than to keep the folks that make Calamine Lotion in business.  : )  You'll be cool.  You are hereby also welcomed.  Bring candy.

[GoingToMakeIt]

Here here for Jacqui's Island.

[Jacqui805]

You, are also hereby welcomed.  Please bring dark chocolate.  After that, we shall maketh it ourselves.

[10356]

I just heard Bush last night finally admit our economy is in the toilet and his response to that realization. If I had a magic wand I would be the first one to wave it and make it go away. That left me dumbfounded... He has the lowest IQ of ant President in history..URGGGGG
Jacqui can I bring my Dogs I clean up after them...

[Jacqui805]

Dogs are indeed welcome.  They shall make our cocoa fields fertile and our hearts happy and joyous ones.

[10356]

I'm on my way my bags are packed with Candy Candy all kinds of candy and I will bring a Cow we need milk with all the Candy!!!

[Jacqui805]

Would someone please bring a really good stero system as well?  I'll bring all my CD's, but of course yours are all welcome too.  

[avisg]

ohhhhh good i could not come without puppy

[Jacqui805]

I shall petteth him and bring forth doggie treats.

[VicUser]

are you having sheep there? we need wool, yea that's it we need wool.. oh that was baaaad

[Jacqui805]

I see that you have the same dark sense of humor as I do...... ; )

[VicUser]

I have to agree with you whole heartedly on the illegal alien issue. I think that once again none of the candidates have the stones to “offend” the new segment of voters, after all it’s all about votes, right?

[allaboutmary]

If Nauty doesn't let me go to her condo, can I come to the island ? Do we wear grass skirts ? lol

Jacqui,    great post !   What happened to protesting.

[Jacqui805]

Of course you're welcome and you can wear whatever you'd like!  You gotta bring something though, your choice.

[allaboutmary]

Thank you !   I will bring my dogs and a gas grille. lol   OMG that didn't sound right.  I would never BBQ my dogs. lol

[Jacqui805]

You really made me laugh out loud, that was a trip!  I'll handle the, uh, meat then, K? LOL

LOL, still laughing.

[mimi1313]

That did sound bad!

[avisg]

"note to self" keep puppy away from marys bbq grill .........LOL

[VicUser]

101 ways to wok your dog.....lmao

[allaboutmary]

LMAO    Here puppy puppy puppy.  

[allaboutmary]

Mary is licking her lips looking at VicUser's pic.  Yum Yum Golden Retriever.  LMAO

[VicUser]

hey Mary, I have one old fat one and one young tender one your pick,,,,lmao

[flmagi]

Don't eat the hot dogs on this island !

Jacqui,  I agree with you . Where are all the old hippie protesters?  Sit-ins, marches on Washington?
People have become soft on demanding what we want.

[flmagi]

I think we should set a date, spread the word and have sit-ins around the country at all gas stations.