Day 4 and what I have learned:

[BrooklynBoy8148]

If you have all been reading my post you will see that I have been popping pills for 4yrs. I started sub on Wed, I took a 8MG at 8AM, took 8MG at 2:30PM (realized I was taking too much), Thursday, I took 4MG at 3:30PM, yesterday I took 2MG at 3PM. Today I woke up feel kid of tired will take maybe 1MG in a few and see how the day goes. Mind you I as popping 10 – 14 OC a day. No graving, well that is not exactly true I have such a craving for Ben and Jerry’s cookie dough ice cream and probably eat about 5 pints since Tuesday.(when I started my weight watch I have gained 3.5 pounds since tuesday, I have been eating so much)  This morning was very odd, I sat down with every bill I had noted how much I owe and will actually call these people and as I am sure like some of you that may have it programmed in the cell phone as the candy store he will not see a dime of my cash this week. Also, I have learned that the forum has helped a lot, you like hearing "hey your doing a good job", "keep it up", point being your not alone.

Another thing is that I think the OC was giving me depression or it could be because I am actually in a good mood that I have not had to taken a pill since 9AM on Tuesday.

Please I am not saying for everyone to run out and get on Sub, I am only telling you my experience do not kid yourself sub is just as addictive and some people based on their chemistry maybe dependant on sub for the rest of their live, too early to tell if I am one of them but I do have every desire to use Sub as a TOOL to get the monkey off  my back!!

[BrooklynBoy8148]

Also I guess because of my compulsive behavior I actually rented this HBO documentary about addition to see what was going on in my brain. But the problem is that Doctors have not used Sub they have only done studies on people who have.

I would appreciate someone who has experienced this to help, I had a total fear of stopping OC, really bad anxiety of not having a pill. When does the OC leave your system so that you know when you battling Sub WD or when you are battling OC WD?

[BrooklynBoy8148]

I will not pressure myself in saying that I will be clean forever and never take another pill, the last two months I use my OC scripts to taper and was probably sober the entire time, you had your bell curve where I would get a short buzz. I used that time to look at the reasons why I was taking the pills. The biggest thing was that my doctor the jerk would give me whatever I wantted, instead of tapering me from my injury he went up moving from 60 vikes in the begining to 120 OXY's. My biggest trigger was I feel in the morning, it is like a hangover and the only thing that makes you feel better is a pill! The reason why I was taking was because of the fake sense of laser focus, I do a lot of web site development, since stoping OC, and working sober I actually completed a project 2 days before delivery due date where as on the OC, I always had to stetch the time table.

Congradulations to you, and you have proven to me that this can be done in a short period.

[BrooklynBoy8148]

Also, I am not blaming the Doc, he was not forcing me to take the pills, lets be clear I loved the buzz i got, but I have not gotten high in about two months. I think if you use sub as a replacement for yor high than you are looking at a long road. I only jumped to sub to help stop WD from my COD and not as a replacemnt of getting high.

[ginsa]

I don't have any experience with Sub, I refused it in detox after reading about it beforehand. I was so freaked out at the realization that I was addicted by just taking 3-4 norco a day that I wasn't about to use anything remotely related to an opiate.

It seems like folks who's addiction invovles higher daily doses of their DOC are better candidates for Sub anyway.

I think you are taking an intelligent approach to getting clean. Recognize all of your triggers, be prepared to deal with them if you decide to quit the Sub later, and keep getting support.

And keep up the good effort. You're doing great!

[BrooklynBoy8148]

You have to understand the half life of the drug, in that a day of sub is not 24hrs but 37.5Hrs, this helps in understanding what your body is doing. Tapering on my DOC was key, I was sober 70% of the time with my last script and stretched what I would go through in 30 days to almost 51 days and just started sub to battle the WD.

I have accepted the decision to get off sub by not taking what the Doctor told me, 24MG is just why too much, I can see looking at it now that it would have just been another hole to dig out from. So from day one (37.5hrs) to today I have reduced my intake by 88% and today I started Advil for the bone aches, which have been effective.

"Every battle is won before it is ever fought." I read about Sub for two and a half months and know that I have a very small window of oppertunity here.