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Thomas Recipe something to keep in mind
I am going to say first I used many parts of the Thoma's recipe when I was in WD . However keep in mind Thomas was an active addict ,not a doctor .He recommends benzos for the first few days. This I never used seeing as I had no desire to swap one addiction for another and yes I had taken benzos in the past with no problems what so ever without any addiction or wd for that matter .However your body is ripe for cross addiction when you are in the middle of WD.We have had many come on here stating they were not worried about the benzos they did not really even like them come back three months later addict to them . Plz also keep in mind that the person that wrote this, Thomas died a little over a year ago from drug overdose By all means use it as a guide just remember you want to get clean not exchange one problem for another .
he meant well and helped many people.............but I did shake my head when I seen the ingredients !!
lots a new ideas out there.......but there will never be a magic bullet for wd's, just things that help take the edge off a little
lots a new ideas out there.......but there will never be a magic bullet for wd's, just things that help take the edge off a little
I am really glad you just posted this again. I think it can be helpful and I used some of the ideas when Sally was detoxing. It did help.
...its funny I was just, today, going to ask you when was the last time we put the Thomas Recipie up for the new ones....
Well, great minds think alike and I have always liked and appreciated you and your dedication to helping others.
With love,
Debbie
...its funny I was just, today, going to ask you when was the last time we put the Thomas Recipie up for the new ones....
Well, great minds think alike and I have always liked and appreciated you and your dedication to helping others.
With love,
Debbie
I saw your comment about Rhodiola being possibly too stimulating. You may be taking one of those jumbo 500 mg capsules from a company Jarrow or NOW Vitamins. Those things should be banned. And some people take multiple capsules per day! Hey, when Rhodiola makes gives you the jitters, you've taken too much and you have negated all the positive benefits of the plant. Try a 150 mg capsule of a higher grade Rhodiola and see what you think -- amazing difference when you get away from the jitters.
Nauty OMG ya I can honelsty say I have not heard a doctor use that thought process before very scary
I am really surprised that the Thomas Recipe is supported by the site. Most doctors are suspect of the amino protocol. When you have a really bad flu, no matter what you do or take .......you are sick as a dog, and have to ride it out. Withdrawal is the same. It didn't matter what I did or took. It had to take its course and it just plain suks!!....
Very sad to hear about Thomas. He was a longtime addict that apparently went through many bouts of withdrawal to come up with his own trial and error attempt to battle withdrawal. His legacy will live on forever out here in cyberspace forever, and millions of addicts will continue to use his recipe forever here in cyberspace. Pretty amazing. I guess if one person feels his protocol worked for them, then that's all that matters.......If you think about it, we all trade one addiction for another, whether it be smoking to eating, to nicorette, to lollipops. Diet foods, from really foods, fat to fat-free....to shopping......addictions are traded all the time, but its okay unless drugs are involved......I will never forget the day I was in the doctor office and the NP asked me to tell her everything I was taking. One of the things was Excedrin Migraine. As she handed me my prescription for vicodin...and as the paper was hitting my fingers, she said to me "Be really careful with the Excedrin because it has a lot of caffeine in it and can be addictive?????"" saying nothing about the paper she was handing me.....what the heck?......I wasn't going to call her out on that, but I was thoroughly disgusted, and shocked....
RIP Thomas.............
Very sad to hear about Thomas. He was a longtime addict that apparently went through many bouts of withdrawal to come up with his own trial and error attempt to battle withdrawal. His legacy will live on forever out here in cyberspace forever, and millions of addicts will continue to use his recipe forever here in cyberspace. Pretty amazing. I guess if one person feels his protocol worked for them, then that's all that matters.......If you think about it, we all trade one addiction for another, whether it be smoking to eating, to nicorette, to lollipops. Diet foods, from really foods, fat to fat-free....to shopping......addictions are traded all the time, but its okay unless drugs are involved......I will never forget the day I was in the doctor office and the NP asked me to tell her everything I was taking. One of the things was Excedrin Migraine. As she handed me my prescription for vicodin...and as the paper was hitting my fingers, she said to me "Be really careful with the Excedrin because it has a lot of caffeine in it and can be addictive?????"" saying nothing about the paper she was handing me.....what the heck?......I wasn't going to call her out on that, but I was thoroughly disgusted, and shocked....
RIP Thomas.............
Well you see that's how we are all different, for me a pill that could put me to sleep and forget about reality was a real buzz, it was my way of escaping, I was sleeping my life away and nothing bad can happen to you when you sleep, at least that's what I thought....
And the dosage, well of course it was high. I was taking 200mg of oxazepam and 40mg of tranxene a day but I didn't start at that dosage, I built up a tolerance like anybody would have and my dr kept on increasing the dosage.
I agree on the fact that it probably can help but my point was that there's no way for anybody to know before if they're gonna like it or not and for me a couple of days was enough to really love it.
And the dosage, well of course it was high. I was taking 200mg of oxazepam and 40mg of tranxene a day but I didn't start at that dosage, I built up a tolerance like anybody would have and my dr kept on increasing the dosage.
I agree on the fact that it probably can help but my point was that there's no way for anybody to know before if they're gonna like it or not and for me a couple of days was enough to really love it.
When you are on day 3 or 4 of detoxing, benzos do nothing. At least they didn't for me.
I think that you must have to take a very large dose for them to work which as pointed out should be monitored by a doctor.
They did work on days 5 and 6 for sleep and after that I stopped taking it.
I have a legal script for valium which I never take. I will take your word for it that it is your DOC but I have found other ways to deal with anxiety because all valium ever did was put me to sleep and that's just not much of a buzz for me.
I did take it for 3 months (10 mgs a day) and just quit because I was in a fog all the time. I did not have any withdrawal symptoms except insomnia.
That is not a recommendation to do what I did because I know other people have a lot more serious problems stopping and must taper. Going CT from benzos is a whole different ball game than opiates. It can cause seizures which can be life threatening.
I'm just saying ir you can take it for a couple days and it helps than I don't see a problem using it. I haven't slept more than 4 hours a night and it's been 2 weeks. But the whole idea is to use them during the extreme wd phase and then stop.
I have to admit I have never tried the Thomas recipe at all. I have heard some people say it works and others that it doesn't.
I think that you must have to take a very large dose for them to work which as pointed out should be monitored by a doctor.
They did work on days 5 and 6 for sleep and after that I stopped taking it.
I have a legal script for valium which I never take. I will take your word for it that it is your DOC but I have found other ways to deal with anxiety because all valium ever did was put me to sleep and that's just not much of a buzz for me.
I did take it for 3 months (10 mgs a day) and just quit because I was in a fog all the time. I did not have any withdrawal symptoms except insomnia.
That is not a recommendation to do what I did because I know other people have a lot more serious problems stopping and must taper. Going CT from benzos is a whole different ball game than opiates. It can cause seizures which can be life threatening.
I'm just saying ir you can take it for a couple days and it helps than I don't see a problem using it. I haven't slept more than 4 hours a night and it's been 2 weeks. But the whole idea is to use them during the extreme wd phase and then stop.
I have to admit I have never tried the Thomas recipe at all. I have heard some people say it works and others that it doesn't.
THANK YOU avisg!!! Finally.... The use of benzos, any benzo, is so very dangerous.
To Hook:
I have never been addicted to any pill in my life. I don't even drink, never.
The 1st time i was prescribed a benzo, that did it for me. One pill was enough, I was addicted and in full denial. I had found my DOC.
So tell me how are you gonna select the ones that are just gonna use it for a few days w/o really liking them? Beforehand, you can NEVER tell if you gonna get hooked on a pill.
It took 14 months of my life to get rid of the short acting one and I'm still working on the 2nd one. I don't wish to anyone to have to go to a tapering plan, it's almost debilitating and soooo hard.
So in no way, I would ever recommend to use any benzo to anybody, the risk is way too high.
Sophie.
To Hook:
I have never been addicted to any pill in my life. I don't even drink, never.
The 1st time i was prescribed a benzo, that did it for me. One pill was enough, I was addicted and in full denial. I had found my DOC.
So tell me how are you gonna select the ones that are just gonna use it for a few days w/o really liking them? Beforehand, you can NEVER tell if you gonna get hooked on a pill.
It took 14 months of my life to get rid of the short acting one and I'm still working on the 2nd one. I don't wish to anyone to have to go to a tapering plan, it's almost debilitating and soooo hard.
So in no way, I would ever recommend to use any benzo to anybody, the risk is way too high.
Sophie.
New yes they are .I will be the first one to admit I took them for postpartum depression for months if not even a year I did not have and issue with them nor did I have any wd coming of them. I had no clue how dangerous they were i was very nevie I guess .I know my self well. I could not just smoke a little it had to be 3 1/2 packs a day. I could not just use a pain pill I had to abuse them .I might be able to go back on a benzo as I had been 10 years ago and been fine or I could abuse the **** out of them. I am bettering on the latter .I AM AN ADDICT .It's like playing Russian roulette
Thank you Avisg :) Unfortunately I had learned through experience.. it is very easy to trade addictions even though said drug is not your doc. for myself as a Addict the whole point with drugs was not to feel, to get high and not have to think.. they all work this way when abused or taken for other then what prescribed. but unfortunately yet again they all lead to the same pain you are running from..
I completely agree- we need to be extremely careful about what we put in our body as recovering addicts. I was prescribed xanax for panic attacks from PTSD, and the doc never told me exactly how dangerous/addictive it could be (not that I blame the doc completely- when taken as directed and prescribed, it serves a purpose). Fortunately, I did my own research. While I believe benzos helped me greatly during severe panic attacks from PTSD (after witnessing a suicide), they are not to be used carelessly and I truly fear for those who abuse them. Thanks for reminding people that they are serious drugs and a VERY slippery slope for addicts
as a ex junkie and a addict.. the problem for me using Valium or any other Drug I will take it to the extreme. 1 or 2 of something translates to 10 It would be very risky for myself to use any drug during or after detox. they do sell herbal supplements that give the desired effect with out having to put yourself in the position of having to illegally get our seek out these drugs.. although if on hand I will not begrudge anybody what works for them.. I just know for myself as a Addict I can not.. lesa
Hook,
I know he helped many people I told you I used it accept the benzos.Yes rehab centers use benzos in a medically monitored faculty for a short amount of time not for a home detox .
Valuim might not make you feel good so it might not be a problem for you but it might be for others .Out of the benzo choices yes i believe Valium is the safest but I still would not recommend using it unless in an inpatient situation when in wd .
I know he helped many people I told you I used it accept the benzos.Yes rehab centers use benzos in a medically monitored faculty for a short amount of time not for a home detox .
Valuim might not make you feel good so it might not be a problem for you but it might be for others .Out of the benzo choices yes i believe Valium is the safest but I still would not recommend using it unless in an inpatient situation when in wd .
I knew Thomas from the old board. Thomas hslped many people. He was NEVER addicted to benzos just opiates.
Thomas had chronic pain issues and struggled with addiction as most of us do. Lots of addicts relapse and some do die from ODs. Does this make them a bad person?
The thing with using valium is that it just doesn't work during the worst of the wd unless you take a very large dose and then it doesn't do a lot.
Using valium for three or four days is not going to make you dependent nor is it a drug that makes you feel good so I doubt you're going to want to use it after detox.
IMHO, if it helps you and you can handle it then use it. If you don't think you can then don't. They do use benzos in traditional detoxes.
The only reason I watch The Cleaner is Benjamin Bratt. :) For a show about addiction and addicts, I prefer House.
Thomas had chronic pain issues and struggled with addiction as most of us do. Lots of addicts relapse and some do die from ODs. Does this make them a bad person?
The thing with using valium is that it just doesn't work during the worst of the wd unless you take a very large dose and then it doesn't do a lot.
Using valium for three or four days is not going to make you dependent nor is it a drug that makes you feel good so I doubt you're going to want to use it after detox.
IMHO, if it helps you and you can handle it then use it. If you don't think you can then don't. They do use benzos in traditional detoxes.
The only reason I watch The Cleaner is Benjamin Bratt. :) For a show about addiction and addicts, I prefer House.
I heard about "the Cleaner" but never saw it. I am confused ladies, fill me in (if you don't mind) on how that pertains to The thomas Recipe? Now you got my interest.
I gotta find out when that show is on. Thanks for the tip on that. Instead of me trying to find it, you guys could let me know when it is on. I am getting lazy in my old age..LOL
I have a birthday coming up in two weeks and I get nutty every time I get close to a b-day and start to feel senial (sp?) so treat an old lady kindly.....I depend on you guys to care give me!
I gotta find out when that show is on. Thanks for the tip on that. Instead of me trying to find it, you guys could let me know when it is on. I am getting lazy in my old age..LOL
I have a birthday coming up in two weeks and I get nutty every time I get close to a b-day and start to feel senial (sp?) so treat an old lady kindly.....I depend on you guys to care give me!
What a great post. It is odd that people immediately take the recipe literally. They believe that they need to do everything it says with no thought about switching addictions.
Yes, for the most part I think it is helpful in "easing" the withdrawal but like I always say: There is no way to avoid the withdrawal. If there was, this site would not be here and neither would any of us.
I don't want to see anyone suffer but I don't want to see anyone addicted to anything else either.
And yes, Thomas died from an overdose, accidental or not, he was using. So in the long run, did the recipe work for him? Just my two cents.....
Yes, for the most part I think it is helpful in "easing" the withdrawal but like I always say: There is no way to avoid the withdrawal. If there was, this site would not be here and neither would any of us.
I don't want to see anyone suffer but I don't want to see anyone addicted to anything else either.
And yes, Thomas died from an overdose, accidental or not, he was using. So in the long run, did the recipe work for him? Just my two cents.....
I SOOOO agree with your commit regarding the Thomas Receipe....
I am working on 36 day CLEAN off of a 8-10 Norco habit x's 3 years (for 2 back surgeries) and I DID do a MODIFIED Thomas Receipe.... MINUS the Valium/benzo and Immodium and seeing as I am now at day 36 I think that it did help..
I DO still take the Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C and L-Tyrosine and/or Rhodiola Rosea EVERY OTHER day... (those 2 SEEM to help with re-establishing my FRIED neuro-transmitters... although I have to alternate every other day because both the L-tyrosine and the Rhodiola Rosea seem to hype me up &/or can cause me to have anxiety...)
So with that said,,, I want to thank you for your comment and If you have any info and/or input regarding this... please let me know....
thanks bunches and remember....that...
EVERYDAY THAT WE DON'T USE IS A BETTER DAY THAN WHEN WE DO... Amen!
Hugs and Prayers your way......
NorcoQueenoftheUniverse
I am working on 36 day CLEAN off of a 8-10 Norco habit x's 3 years (for 2 back surgeries) and I DID do a MODIFIED Thomas Receipe.... MINUS the Valium/benzo and Immodium and seeing as I am now at day 36 I think that it did help..
I DO still take the Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C and L-Tyrosine and/or Rhodiola Rosea EVERY OTHER day... (those 2 SEEM to help with re-establishing my FRIED neuro-transmitters... although I have to alternate every other day because both the L-tyrosine and the Rhodiola Rosea seem to hype me up &/or can cause me to have anxiety...)
So with that said,,, I want to thank you for your comment and If you have any info and/or input regarding this... please let me know....
thanks bunches and remember....that...
EVERYDAY THAT WE DON'T USE IS A BETTER DAY THAN WHEN WE DO... Amen!
Hugs and Prayers your way......
NorcoQueenoftheUniverse
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