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643717 tn?1224554218

2nd day on suboxone

Hi everyone, hope your all doing well. I just joined and this is my 1st post. This is my 2nd day of suboxone (8mg tabs), every 12 hours. Holy sh** i hope these killer headaches go away, along with the nausia, i feel like puking every few minutes, and also the fatigue, BUT, on the bright side, I have had absolutey zero withdrawel symptoms, it is quite amazing. Im looking to chat with other addicts like me, who are in the same boat. even my dr said it would be a good idea, so, here i am !! looking forward to putting these dam pills behind me for good. Although I've said that many times already, and usually take my once a year trip to a detox !!! . 4 times in all so far and i have to lie to my kids about were i'm going. i have three boys ages 10, 7, & 5 and wife who can't take it anymore with what im putting her through, which i cant really blame her. so you see, i do have quite alot to lose, like most of you also. Well, I have to run, but will def check back in a little while to see if anyone replied, take care..... we can do this !!!!  
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I had one of those dr's that just kept prescribing me subox.  I was on 4-6 mill per day for 5 years.  I simply traded my hydrocodone addiction for a suboxone addiction.  About 3 months ago, I decided I didnt want to b owned by suboxone or anything else.  Started my own tapering process.  Got down to a sliver...probably about .25-.30 every a.m.  Was actually feeling that euphoria on that small amount.  Shows how potent this drug is.  My last dose was 13 days ago and even tapering to that small dose.....I'm dealing with heavy wd's, insomnia, no energy, etc.  I was on this stuff way too long.  Taper as quickly as u can n get off this stuff as quickly as u can.  I wish I had heard that advice 5 years ago.   U can do it...I assure u.
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It depends how long you were on opiates I was a 9 year opiate user im on suboxone 4mg 2x day it although it helps some days it is not enough. Good luck ive been clean for two months but I also would take anywhere from 12 to 20 sometimes a day if I was only on 2mg a day I would have relapsed that why jsome ppl are on higher doses.
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im on day 2--- 8mg twice a day. this *****.. I dont feel like doing anything. All I want to do is sleep and watch tv.. Am I on too much??? I dont feel high at all, I feel like I have taken tylenol PM
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I just started day 2 and let me tell you that the 8mg twice daily yesterday had me sooo wired.After going 26 hr of w/d and then starting my 8mg sub in about 45 min. i felt great ,like I had just taken too many Percs.Im wondering if 8mg is too much for me>>??
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Hey everyone, im about to start suboxone in two weeks as i have to have a medical. I was taken 115 dihydracodine 90mg over 2 days and try to get more from my doctors. Im from Scotland and wondered if anyone had any advice before i start treatment?. If i dont stop what im doing i will loose my gf of 5 yers and my three kids . Ive just turned thirty. Any responce is welcome. CHEERS.
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1316877 tn?1275200613
p.s., WHATEVER YOUR HOOKED ON, JUST QUIT C/T. I GARUNTEE ITLL FEEL BETTER THAN SUB W/D
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1316877 tn?1275200613
Day 6, yesterday i said was day 4, but apparently insomnia has warped my sense of time. Anyway, your giving me hope, all of you. My w/d isnt methadone, i quit cold turkey from 32mg's of suboxone. I always thought i knew what pain was, i was wrong, i know now. I actually fell asleep at 6am, woke up at 1 pm, and had my first meal last night around 3 am. I woke up, and i felt so much better, i was so so happy, its over, i made it, awesome! NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 hours later, a physical feeling like nothing in days past took over. Im crippled again. I am on Thomas recipe, started yesterday. My hypertension caused me to start seeing stars while walking, needless to say, my face is no longer pretty. A 3/4 inch gash above my eye. Oddly, everything else hurts so bad, i barely felt it. SUBOXONE DID GET ME OFF THE OTHER STUFF, BUT NOTHING IVE EVER BECOME ADDICTED TO, HAS HURT ME THIS BADLY. kEEP A VERY VERY LOW DOSE, AND WEEN OFF IN UNDER 2 WEEKS.
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1181063 tn?1264711290
hi all....just logged on for the first time...reading your veiws on sub and sub treatment has really pricked up my ears for me...im currently on 16mg a day and thought this was not enough...WOW...i will be reading u guys posts with great interest from now on ...and maybe who knows....i hope i can contribute from time to time...after all...no one knows an addict like another..
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325131 tn?1227184781
I sure am glad sub wasn't a real popular subject when I was getting clean. I probally would have jumped on that wagon train fast. But for the grace of God.
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Hey, I'm glad to hear your on to a lower dose now.  I was on sub for only 25 days where I started out at 16 mgs a day also.  Weaned down to 2 mgs over the few weeks and then stopped.  The wds to me are much worse and much longer than just from the hydrocodone itself.  I think maybe it's because they have a longer half life so it takes longer to get out.   I went back on lorcets after 8 days of wd's that never got any better as the days past.  I wish I would have read more on it before I ever took it.  I was just looking for the easy way and there is no such thing.  Stay strong and I hope everything goes well for you and good luck.
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I really don't understand why Dr's put pill addicts on such high doses of alternative opiates for such long periods of time! I talked to a councilor at a methadone clinic one time (i was intersted) and he told me that there are no detoxes for methadone that are less than 21 days. The law requires 21 days (in my town anyway). And he told me that when people finish the 21 day detox, then they will have about 30 days of W/D's! I was like "what the hell!!!" Then he tells me 21 day detox doesn't even work. lol. People need to do atleast 6 month programs, and even then they will have to go through W/D's because w/the 6 month detox, they can not get you down to less than 1mg methadone a day, and people still have to W/D from that! None of it made much since to me. I think the shouldn't use it more than like 5 days, just to help people get through the worse part of withdrawls, and not allow the people to get dependent on the methadone!!!! That makes more sense to me..........
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214607 tn?1287677559
Actually, Family Dr.s can prescribe it, as long as they get certified in it. I know this because my family dr. is who I got it from and who I did my short term sub treatment with. He did not take my insurance for it, but the prescription was covered with my insurance.

Also, I do NOT think that 8mgs is too high a dose to start out with, depending on the addicts dose and how long they have been addicted. If you are on a high amount of opiates, then 8mgs is considered low. So this person may not have been on too high an amount to be given the 8mgs to start. Now, the headaches are a sign of being on too much. So, most likely, it does need to be lessened. Talk with your dr.about lessening the dose.  TO start at 2mgs is not alot. I mean, I agree with you only needing 2mgs once it is in your system as it builds, but not to initially start. If 8 is too much, drop to half a pill, every 12 hours. And go from there. Then, after a few days, drop to 2. It all depends on what his Dr.says and if he is doing a short or long term sub treatment. Good luck..

Lisa
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306455 tn?1288862071
Thats great. Happy to hear your doing better.
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643717 tn?1224554218
I am taking all of your advise and thank you very much. as you know in my last posts, i have been cutting down on the sub. im onlt aking 4 mg around 6am and thats it !! no more before bed ( that was pretty stupid ) and i feel perfectly fine, and i was getting high on the 6 to 8 mgs i was taking, like i was back on the vics. thank ill keep you posted.
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Wow i only read the first couple of post and then scrolled down to the bottom. there are a heck of alot of people here that have a heck of alot to say about sub. Well im one of them. 8 mgs at at time in my  opinion is too much. i have read alot on here about how other peoples doctors have prescribed it and the majority, in my opinion were precscribing too much. Well im no doctor but i did experiment with the sub for quite a while. First of all i have to tell you the stuff gets you high. I never got headaches or nausea though not at all. My doctor had me take only enough to help me not to feel the w/d's. 2 mgs at a time, wait about a half an hour, see how I feel, and then take more only if needed. they didnt just have me take it.
take as little as possible to feel better, take only a little at a time, and give it a chance to work until you take more. Thats my advice. And remember, it does get you high. Be careful!!!
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Suboxone can only be dispensed by a Suboxone doctor, licensed for that particular purpose.  Not any family doctor can give it, but some may be certified as Suboxone docs.
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what type doctor did you see to get this detox med? My good friend is taking this too..but he had to see an addiction specialist. Can you get it from a family doctor?
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I completely agree with worried and flmagi.  The whole point of Sub is to BREAK the addict behavior, number 1 being the need to dose yourself throughout the day.  You are still doing this, and are therefore wasting precious time allowing your body to get used to the Sub.  And, you are still getting high.  You sound like you are very open to everyone's suggestions, but you are not following through with the advice.  YOU DO NOT NEED a midnight dose.  You are taking it and going right to sleep.  That makes no sense.  And to answer your recent question, Sub is not taken for long periods of time so that you feel a little high and do not want to pick up again.  The purpose is that Sub makes you only feel normal (at a LOW dose), so that your mind breaks the addict behavior, and this along with counseling makes you not want to pick up again.  You should be getting used to feeling normal, not feeling high.  Stop taking Sub more than once a day, stop taking so much, and really start to listen to us and let the medication help you.  If not, you will be in worse shape than when you started, and we are all only telling you this because WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT.  Also, stop telling your doctor every little detail.  Of course he wants you on his schedule; Of course he has no idea if that works or not, because he goes by what a little pamphlet tells him about this very new drug that NO ONE knows the long term effects of.  Nod your head, say "yes doctor," accept what he gives you, and split your own pills..  If you don't stop taking it the way you have been, you will continue to feel sick and driving off the road.  
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306455 tn?1288862071
You will be very surprised when you get down to the proper dose, how normal-ish you will feel.  All the problems you're experiencing are definite signs of to much Sub. Your best bet would be to go down to 2-4 mgs a day. There is no reason why you should be on any more than that at this point. Because of the long half life of Sub, you can just take your dose once a day, or if you prefer , 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the later afternoon.
If you're worrying that your doctor may object to this or threaten to knock you out of the program,  Don't tell him, he won't know the difference.  To many of these Sub doctors would prefer that you are on the Sub a long time. (Cha Ching, Cha Ching, if ya know what I mean).
Just try reducing your daily Sub dose to 2-4 mgs daily for a few days, you'll see the difference.  There is seriously nothing to fear about cutting your dose down, much more to fear by staying at such a high dose.
I really believe in a few years we'll be hearing about a lot of side effects of the higher doses of Sub over long term use, such as circulatory problems and teeth problems (similar to methadone).
Good luck to you.
Magi
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Try to get it down to 2mg a day, for real.  And get off it as soon as you can.  Sub for hydrocodone addiction, don't even sound like a good idea to begin with.  Sounds like it is about as bad as when I got on Methadone for hydrocodones.  Talk about jumping out of the frying pan and into the Fire.  I still can't believe your doctor put you on 16mg a day.  I hope you get off Sub soon, people tell me if I go the Sub route for my Tramadol addiction, not to do it more than about 21 days.  You spend some months on Sub, and you will be addicted to that instead of hydrocodone, making your whole problem worse.  Much Worse!  I just hope you understand what you are doing.  Using Sub, you are playing with Fire.  Get off fast.  Don't spend 2-3 months on it or you will have a real hard time coming off, worse than hydrocodone withdrawals.  I take Tramadol and those are only suppose to be like 1/3 the strength of Sub.  I have no experience with Sub, I only know what I've read about it.  I never took Sub.
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228936 tn?1249094248
That makes sense. Don't be a sucker for some doc that really doesn't know and wants to fatten up at your expense
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401095 tn?1351391770
u r on track!  good 4 u!
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643717 tn?1224554218
OK message recieved thanks group, very tierd going to bed, since im not holding anything back with you guys, which to do so would not being doing me any good, i did take a 2mg at midnight, dont wanna lie to any of you. but tomorrow i will NOT take any unless i get sum wd's........thanks again talk to you guys tomorrow.............
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401095 tn?1351391770
the 16 mg u took yesterday or whenever will hang around for days....taking more now when u already feel over subbed is not the answer..these are not lortabs/vikes/percs etc,,these receptor sponges (Subs) stay on for days and dont let go/like receptor super glue....if u used 0mg tomorrow u would still be ok,,,u r oversaturated now...sounds as if u r still thinking if u take more u will feel better....like u have to take something every so often and u dont..u r getting clean now using a drug with a half life 12 x atleast as long as hydros....it is not gone 6 hours later...u r just piling more on top of it...let it go..let the need to take something 3 or 4 times a day go,,,this is a very long lasting drug and most hydro users would never need more than 4 mg and 2 mg as a rule...be safe...u r treading on a superdrug superior to what u know strength wise..if sub did a dance with hydro or oxy it would win every time....be safe....real safe
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